Ohiobucks Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 Can you tell a difference in how an arrow flies if it is +/-0.001" vs. +/-0.005"? Anyone can read the manufacturers information, specifications and findings published on their own product, but can you (if you are an average bowhunter) really tell a difference? Just wondering? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Justwin24 Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 Re: Can the average bowhunter tell a difference? naw not a shots 30 yards and under Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimT Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 Re: Can the average bowhunter tell a difference? Nope..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamphunter Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 Re: Can the average bowhunter tell a difference? I would say absolutely not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanH Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 Re: Can the average bowhunter tell a difference? Nope not at all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 Re: Can the average bowhunter tell a difference? Wouldnt think so. The only carbons I have shot, and still shoot have a straightness factor of .002. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dartonman Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 Re: Can the average bowhunter tell a difference? I think spot shooters like Tony on our forums can, however, as a run of the mill, kill em in the woods bowhunter, I cant tell.....I shoot the heavier arrow for stability of my broadhead and FOC, front of center, but I dont care if they are .003 or .006 just 20 dollars more, and more than likely dont have it to spend...lol............al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 Re: Can the average bowhunter tell a difference? Rink could Tom "dude, are you kidding me? those crests are unnnnnnbeeeeeelievable" "dude, I'm pumped." Me, nah, I'd miss with +/-.000000001 probably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWSmith Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 Re: Can the average bowhunter tell a difference? You mean there's a difference in arrows????? I just shoot the ones from the gas station with the dew-flippeys on them and the thing-a-ma-gig's up front...they are a dollar-2.98 a twelve pack Dude...You asked the above average crowd here...You'll have to go to another forum to get the average opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogdoc Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 Re: Can the average bowhunter tell a difference? I agree with the others--nope! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruttinbuc Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 Re: Can the average bow hunter tell a difference? If they hit were I am aiming they are straight enough. I use aluminum x7 or xx78 (same) for hunting. The groups are more consistent than those of the xx75's and way better than those of the game getter II's. There is enough of a difference to use the better arrow in a hunting situation. I have a friend who will not shoot nothing but ACC's for their straightness and consistency. He has won a club sponsored indoor shoot at a local shop for the last 10 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 Re: Can the average bow hunter tell a difference? I think your asking the wrong question...does the +/- .003 make a hugh difference to the average bow hunter? I would agree the answer would be prob. NO. However, can a person see or tell the difference, I'd say yes. My job requires me to meassure parts with toleraces of +/- .004 sometimes tighter. Using mics., calibers, gauges etc...for many years, believe it or not, you can see it with your eye after some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Re: Can the average bow hunter tell a difference? Personally, I would love to the difference of these shot from a bow equipped with a drop away rest in a machine. Of course at several different distances. With the human factor removed it would be pretty illuminating. Unless somebody does it independently of the manufacturer don't expect to ever see it. They are perfectly happy collecting a premium on super straight arrows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Re: Can the average bowhunter tell a difference? Probably not. But, when arrows like a GT Pro have a tight tolerance like +/-0.001", I know they are a consistent arrow and worth the money. I know if my bow is properly tuned and I do my part, that is one accurate setup. But, no way would I spend more tha $40/dozen for arrows that are +/-0.005". They aren't made to the consistencies as other arrows. Even with a properly tuned bow and the shooter doing their part, the 0.001's will probably be more accurate. I'd love to see that test too, Leo. Back to my comment about the money issue. I spent a good chunk of money on Easton C2 arrows last year. I think they were +/-0.006". Out of the different arrows I've shot, Easton Alum.'s, CX 200 (+/-0.003"), PSE Dominators and Easton C2's (both +/-0.006"), the Dominators and C2's shot the least to my liking. The alum.'s and CX's, with their tighter tolerances, shot better for me. I could group the Dom's and C2's very well, but the CX's seemed to shoot the best and group tighter than the others. All things considered, I would say the tolerance might have played a roll in it. Actually, Tony is the one that really turned me off from the Axis arrows, which have a +/-0.005" tolerance. Why spend that kind of money for arrows that have a tolerance like that? Spend the same, or in some cases, less, for something like a GT Pro that is +/-0.001" and +/-1 grain/dozen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Re: Can the average bowhunter tell a difference? [ QUOTE ] Probably not. But, when arrows like a GT Pro have a tight tolerance like +/-0.001", I know they are a consistent arrow and worth the money. I know if my bow is properly tuned and I do my part, that is one accurate setup. [/ QUOTE ] If we were talking about competetion shooting (there is a different room for that ) I would maybe agree with the tolerances making a difference. However, since this is the "bowhunting room" I don't see a +-.005 making a difference. JMO. The vitals of a deer are pretty big...much bigger than I think the difference would make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCH Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Re: Can the average bowhunter tell a difference? Well, I don't about being able to tell the difference, but everytime I miss by a hair I blame it on that darn +-.003. Dang sure couldn't have been me....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iabow Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Re: Can the average bowhunter tell a difference? I think the spine tolerance would play a bigger part from what has been said. I could see little difference in straightness, if I did my part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Re: Can the average bowhunter tell a difference? If I'm going to spend the money that I do on my bows and bowhunting equipment, I'm certainly going to buy arrows with the best consistencies out there. Thats why I like the GT Pros. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohiobucks Posted February 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Re: Can the average bowhunter tell a difference? [ QUOTE ] Actually, Tony is the one that really turned me off from the Axis arrows, which have a +/-0.005" tolerance. Why spend that kind of money for arrows that have a tolerance like that? Spend the same, or in some cases, less, for something like a GT Pro that is +/-0.001" and +/-1 grain/dozen. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, but can you actually tell a difference? If someone hadn't told you the GT Pros were +/-0.001" and the Axis was +/-0.005" and you shot both of them, could you tell a difference? Does it really affect your shooting that much? Probably not....... Personally, I don't care what tolerance an arrow manufacturer says it product has, as long as it shoots where I am aiming consistantly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Re: Can the average bowhunter tell a difference? I looked at the specs after deciding that I should go in a different direction than the C2's, because I didn't like the groups they got. They were good groups, but not as tight as aluminums or CX's shot for me. At that time, I found that their tolerances were so loose. I still don't understand why you would spend the same amount on something that has tolerances that are worse than something of equal or lesser price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohiobucks Posted February 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Re: Can the average bowhunter tell a difference? [ QUOTE ] I still don't understand why you would spend the same amount on something that has tolerances that are worse than something of equal or lesser price. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Personally, I don't care what tolerance an arrow manufacturer says it product has, as long as it shoots where I am aiming consistantly. [/ QUOTE ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Re: Can the average bowhunter tell a difference? I shoot my hunting bow just like I would if I had a target bow. I want it to shoot exactly where I'm aiming. I'll take every advantage I can. That includes ultra tight tolerances on my arrows. 2" and 3" groups aren't good enough for me anymore. I want to know that the equipment I have is tuned and accurate to my liking. GT Pro's, CX 3D Sel.'s and other arrows with tight tolerances help me with that. Can I shoot looser tolerances good. Yes, but having spine and weight tolerances as close as possible helps me even more. I'm hoping someday I can be shooting tournaments. Shooting with the mindframe I do now I think would help. Not having to go from good 2" and 3" groups to 1" groups can't be too easy. Thats why I am going with ultra tight tolerance arrows. I figure if I can begin to shoot 1" to 1 1/2" groups out to 40 yards now, a transition to target archery wouldn't be as difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Re: Can the average bowhunter tell a difference? [ QUOTE ] I still don't understand why you would spend the same amount on something that has tolerances that are worse than something of equal or lesser price. [/ QUOTE ] You know the one thing your missing...these are tolerances and doesn't mean they are actually out of spec. that far. They maybe only .001 out of spec. or less, their tolerances allows for inprofections in the material they use to make the arrows. Again, I don't think any of the specs. on any arrow out there will make that big of a difference in someones hunting set-up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 Re: Can the average bowhunter tell a difference? [ QUOTE ] I think spot shooters like Tony on our forums can, however, as a run of the mill, kill em in the woods bowhunter, I cant tell.....I shoot the heavier arrow for stability of my broadhead and FOC, front of center, but I dont care if they are .003 or .006 just 20 dollars more, and more than likely dont have it to spend...lol............al [/ QUOTE ] thanks Al for the kind words... and yes i can tell the differance between the 2 when i go to tuning my arrows for broadheads.. then i really see the differance.. straight is straight especially for carbons .. the aluminums are already that straight... the adverage bowhunter he might see the differance in his broadhead flight.. plus most of you just arent bowhunters anymore.. most of you shoot 3d and some of you are trying indoor target.. then yes the .001s will enable you to do all of these.. plus like JB said its for peace of mind.. you know there good so theres no excuse...plus i get them for dealer cost ....lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 Re: Can the average bowhunter tell a difference? Well...you boys are in luck. Got off the phone last night with a buddy who works part time at a bow shop. The owner had bought a machine (not sure when) that cost him over $1,200 but it shoots the bow, taking all human error out of the equation. They tested several kinds of arrows through their own bows...as long as they used the right splined arrow...the difference at 20 yards was less than a 1/4". They shot many different brands and after shooting them...my buddy said he is prob. switching back to alum. arrows! [ QUOTE ] and yes i can tell the differance between the 2 when i go to tuning my arrows for broadheads.. then i really see the differance [/ QUOTE ] Whats the tolerances on your broadheads, inserts, nocks, and vanes/feathers. These all are factors along with the straightness of the arrow. Assuming your broadheads and all other aboved mentioned items are equal...the +- .001 or +- .005 arrows play a very very small part in the arrow flight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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