MadHuntinPastor Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 Re: Homosexual marriage/relationships and Health risks The philosophy of Norms statement is true. Unfortunately we are not consistent as a society. We tend to put sin on levels of importance. Homo's worse than lies. Murder worse than stealing. We must strive to be consistent to stand up against all sin in our lives and those around us. Me lying or stealing or lusting is just as bad in God's eyes as the homosexual act. God loves me the same as he loves Ellen Degenares!! A pastor compared to a Homo??? Yup!! Loves and cares for her just as much. We need to stand against all sin, but we allow it in so many different areas. Most of us would be totally grossed out to sit and watch a homosexual act, BUT we will sit down and watch movies with people sleeping around and sinning in other ways. We will also justify our own sin. I know I'm kinda preachin here ( tough to do on the computer) Closing thoughts. Christians should stand against all immoral acts. Yes that includes encouraging the govenment to legislate holiness. We should never compromise our beliefs and never sit back and allow others to live in sin. God sent His Son so that ALL would believe in Him and be saved. It is our job to tell them. The trick is to do it in love. I do believe people are born with a tendency to sin whether it is lying, lusting, homosxual, murder, anger, pride....etc. God desires for us and provides a way for us to overcome those tendencies through the power of His Son. don't worry I'm not taking an offering thanks for listening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 Re: Homosexual marriage/relationships and Health risks The statement "Sin is sin and God sees it all the same", is not entirely accurate. While the new testimate does say "The wages of sin is death", that IMO is the generic "Sin nature" and all sin in the lifetime of a man. It does not address idividual sins. Tho old testimate held the law and obidiance at a higher level. These laws and punishments went from God to Moses and then to the Jewish people. These punishments went from giving restitution and sacrificing a dove to God all the way to being stoned to death, with everything in between. My God is an uchanging God. I am under the new covanent of Grace through the shed blood of Jesus, therefore forgiven of sin. But, if God gave more harsh punishment for bigger sins, then it stands to reason that He doesn't see them as equal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadHuntinPastor Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 Re: Homosexual marriage/relationships and Health risks Sin is sin. Many things in the Old Testament have changed. e.g. we don't have to kill animals anymore. We can eat all sorts of meat. We don't have to sit outside of the city when we have an open wound. Fleshly circumsion is not necessary for salvation. But most importantly....the hand of judgement is no longer with men, but with God and Jesus waiting for the Final Judgement. Jesus was the example. He frustrated the Old Testament pharisees and sadducees by forgiving sins. All sorts of sins. No offense to any Catholics....I'm glad Jesus doesn't ask me to say a certain amount of hail mary's for my sin. Jesus asks for a confession of your sin and to believe in Him and He gives salvation. Mary Magdalene would have been stoned according to the Old Testament, but Jesus forgave her. Jesus came to earth to change all that. Sinners will go to h_ll and those that are saved will go with Him to heaven forever. It doesn't say that the sinners will go to h_ll but the really bad sinners will go to the hotter h_ll. This earthly example will hit some people pretty close to home. Many men are completly disgusted with the homo act of men with men BUT they will sit and get turned on with the thought of having anal s_x with a women. They both are sin and detestable to GOD and worthy of death according to the Old Testament. The New Testament just adds that it is just as bad to think about it as it is to do it!! Ouch!! Society and the devil want us to think differently. We want to justify our sin, but condemn someone else. I simply wanted to challenge us to take a look at ourselves and guard against all sin. Since that is what we are. Sinners. Heading towards h_ll except for the grace of God. A man who struggles with lust will find the same grace whether he lusts after a man or a woman. A man who lies and cheats will go to the same h_ll as a murderer or homos_xual. Just some food for thought. Good discussion though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob LeBlanc Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 Re: Homosexual marriage/relationships and Health r [ QUOTE ] ...and because Gayness has been accepted as a normal sexual behavior and lifestyle, ... [/ QUOTE ] I disagree with that part of your statement, buckee. Homosexuality is not 'accepted'...but merely 'tolerated' by the majority. The homosexual community is attempting to gain acceptance...to gain credibility by partaking in marriage. That is why they insist it be deemed 'marriage' and not simply a 'civil union'. It's all in the semantics. Society's sole protections are the laws of the Bible, and there-in lies their need to have it outlawed. There is no good to come from 'gay marriage' that is beneficial to society as a whole...and it is very easily argued that it is a degradation. Hedonism and homosexuality are self-servient and self-destructive lifestyles, as history will atone. Too many people have forgotten the old Roman Empire and its self-destruction. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 Re: Homosexual marriage/relationships and Health r Everyones interepretation is different. Unfortunately the bible was written so long ago and the translations over time, who knows how accurate what you read really is. I do believe in God and do consider myself a Christian, however I do also think the bible has been adjusted to meet mans needs in some respects as it went along. Lets not forget it is a collective work of many inspired by God. On the idea the sin is sin, who are we to say what sin is worse than the next. Are the Commandments the only sin we have to worry about and do they go in the order in which they were written, and whose interpretation is accurate? Really, in looking my interpretation by the way I understand it is that if you have thought about doing something wrong, then you have sinned, having commited the sin you thought. At least that was what the Lutheran preacher when I was younger taught. In other words if you have had impure thoughts about adultery or lusting after someone other than your wife you are in fact sinning. Who is to judge where on the list of sins that ranks, and having thought the thoughts, is that actually as bad as doing the act? Personally I dont think so, but ultimately I realize it is not my place to be concerned with what I think in regards to which sins are worse or even if there is a scale or degree of which is worse. All that said, I dont agree with the idea that homosexuality as being an acceptable lifestyle. It is sin no doubt, those who are partaking in that behavior will have to deal with their sins. As far as how God views those sins in relation to say theft, who really knows. We dont, only he does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonhunter Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 Re: Homosexual marriage/relationships and Health r Everyones interepretation is different. Unfortunately the bible was written so long ago and the translations over time, who knows how accurate what you read really is. I do believe in God and do consider myself a Christian, however I do also think the bible has been adjusted to meet mans needs in some respects as it went along. Lets not forget it is a collective work of many inspired by God. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ VERY well said william. My feelings as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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