Wobbly_Alaska Posted April 28, 2010 Report Share Posted April 28, 2010 Well just watching the news looks like Utah is aggressively going to try to pass legislation to follow the AZ illegal immigration law... Though i have a fair idea already... what say you all? yeah or neigh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted April 28, 2010 Report Share Posted April 28, 2010 Arizona has got it right, best as my memory serves me and if I am not mistaken any adult in this country is supposed to have proper identification on them in public and can be subject to being asked to supply that id by any leo's. That in mind I see where this law supports existing law, and the federal government is way off base with their stance. It is not racial profiling as the media is attempting to depict it. Why is this admin so afraid of deporting people illegally in this country, and why do they place a level of value for those here who should have no rights ahead of those of us here who do? I mean illegal aliens are just that, illegal and illegal acts have consequences, why afford exemptions to laws for these people. It has to stop somewhere and glad to see Arizona standing up, think it is a sign of what is to come, especially given what is taking place with the healthcare reform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wobbly_Alaska Posted April 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2010 Any bets on when Texas follows suit with their own laws as well?... theirs will probably read... ship them to California. you all may or not believe this... but we have US customs agents stationed around AK espessally on the Kenai Penn... Just to watch the mexican border and the drug running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted April 28, 2010 Report Share Posted April 28, 2010 Also have to add on this that Mexican authorities are so against this and are protesting, but they should be supportive since their law agencies and government continue to blame law abiding citizens of this country for the full auto and class 3 arms that are getting to their drug cartels. Would only seem to make sense to me that you catch these people(by whatever means) and deport them that they will not be taking machine guns or other illegally obtained arms with them when our law enforcement officials deport them, might potentially slow some of the violence. Of course most rationally thinking folks realize that everyday ordinary gun owners are not selling illegal arms to these cartels, but that is another topic. Kind of makes me tend to think Mexican authorities are not as concerned about the violence and drug traffic as they lead on. Texas follow suit? Probably so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m gardner Posted April 28, 2010 Report Share Posted April 28, 2010 Colorado should do it too. When we passed a law requiring employers to document the status of their workers three years ago it looked like it had rained mexicans when I went to Colorado to hunt. They will move north again. We are seeing evidence of lots of activity in the last week. They are getting out of here and doesn't look like they are going south. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wobbly_Alaska Posted April 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2010 Looks like California is going to impose economic boycotts on AZ... but the local business there are worried AZ will in turn do the same. and i suspect they will as members of the local Chamber of commerce are already talking about that here. I think all the western states should follow suit with this.. My wifes family is in Idaho where there is also a huge illegal problem... and in the words of Rush... If Cali wants them... let them have them. since that state is already nearly bankrupt it should do fine with the extra load or welfare cases.. and surprisingly enough Mexico governmet is against it???? they should applaude the move... maybe then they will be able to join the olympics next go around with everyone that can run, Jump, or Swim.... Back in the country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gzilla45 Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 I need to stop watching the news because every time I see someone on there talking about how we need to protect these illegals my blood pressure goes through the roof. My ancestors came into this country much like everyone else's did (legally) and there is no reason these people should be getting special treatment. It's quite simple really...they broke the law now deport them. From what I understand Sheriff Joe Arapio is planning a big bust today. I'm interested to see how this goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TN Bucknasty Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 We should adopt it as a nation wide policy. I don't give a rat's hairy hind end if it is racial profiling or not. It's called common sense. I have nothing against Mexicans. I speak Spanish and have lots of Mexican friends. I even go there on occasion. Mexicans are some of the finest people on earth, but I can't respect the way that many of them are taking advantage of our nation. I coach high school soccer in Tennessee. I have 2 Mexicans on the team. Both are legal. We travel to Jackson, Brownsville, and Alamo, TN to play teams that are all 100% Mexican. Of course, these three teams usually dominate their regions, and their players win all sorts of honors. However, when college recruiters try to talk to these teams, the kids and parents always refuse to speak with them because they are all illegals thus meaning that they are ineligible for college anyway. Basically, these kids are knocking legal citizens off of rosters, thus eliminating opportunities for them. Then they themselves are not able to reap the benefits. Which makes it pointless. They ought to either playing in a club league or going through the proper channels before moving here. I don't even know how they are able to play because you are supposed to show proof of age and none of them have birth certificates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 I coach high school soccer in Tennessee. I have 2 Mexicans on the team. Both are legal. We travel to Jackson, Brownsville, and Alamo, TN to play teams that are all 100% Mexican. Of course, these three teams usually dominate their regions, and their players win all sorts of honors. However, when college recruiters try to talk to these teams, the kids and parents always refuse to speak with them because they are all illegals thus meaning that they are ineligible for college anyway. Basically, these kids are knocking legal citizens off of rosters, thus eliminating opportunities for them. Then they themselves are not able to reap the benefits. Which makes it pointless. They ought to either playing in a club league or going through the proper channels before moving here. I don't even know how they are able to play because you are supposed to show proof of age and none of them have birth certificates. Been a lot of involvement with the doj and schools in this area in the past 5 or 6 years, wonder if they have any knowledge of these goings ons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camoman1 Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 The media can call it racial profiling or whatever the heck they want to call it....I dont care what it is ,its what has to be done. As far as Im concerned, any illegals should be lucky to only be leaving with hurt feelings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m gardner Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 California is whining and threatening buycotts against business with Arizona. That's okay, maybe we should just stop selling them electricity. Bad move seeing they can't generate their own. They buy it from Mexico too. Hmm, could that be why they are pandering to them? Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TN Bucknasty Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 Been a lot of involvement with the doj and schools in this area in the past 5 or 6 years, wonder if they have any knowledge of these goings ons. I'm pretty sure that everyone in the area knows what's going on. I hear from everywhere that many of the illegals work the strawberry fields in the area and the others work for Pictsweet. Surely if every coach, player, and parent in the area knows what is happening, word has gotten back around to those in charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TN Bucknasty Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 I was talking with one of my Mexican buddies last night and he brought this up. He just thinks its pretty funny because he keeps reading about how 40-50 illegals keep getting busted all living in one house. He also said that everyone in Mexico thinks that they can just run up to the US and grab a bag of money, then go back. His city in central Mexico had a population of 15,000 ten years ago and it is down to 10,000 now because they all moved here. He's pretty ticked about how people won't go through the proper channels. My dad killed two of them a few years ago and it took forever to even find out who they were. He was coming home from work and they were drunk, on the wrong side of the road, and of course had no insurance or ID. They hit head on and both guys in the car were killed instantly. My dad was fine. It took 3 months to identify them so that the authorities could notify their families. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 I'm pretty sure that everyone in the area knows what's going on. I hear from everywhere that many the illegals work the strawberry fields in the area and the others work for Pictsweet. Surely if every coach, player, and parent in the area knows what is happening, word has gotten back around to those in charge. A lot of mexicans working in Alamo and Bells, would hate to assume their status, but know what you are saying. With all that went down over the Humboldt deal with getting the doj involved with districts I am kind of surprised that they have not also gotten involved in also dealing with illegals, but then again I guess it probably should come as no great surprise given how those folks up in Washington just don't seem to get it. I mean the schools in this area now require so much paperwork and proof of residency as a result of what went down that it would seem that the schools you mention would also be subject to the same type of thing. Had several discussions with the superintendants for the local school districts over trying to keep our oldest daughter in the same schools since our address is for that town and they are the closest schools, did not work out in our favor. Those superintendants were pretty disgusted to say the least over the doj's involvement and how things were handled. We go through 4 districts every day on the way to and from the county school, but it is a good school system. Our property is in two districts, and the one for the closest town where our oldest started out is just a few hundred yards away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TN Bucknasty Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 A lot of mexicans working in Alamo and Bells, would hate to assume their status, but know what you are saying. With all that went down over the Humboldt deal with getting the doj involved with districts I am kind of surprised that they have not also gotten involved in also dealing with illegals, but then again I guess it probably should come as no great surprise given how those folks up in Washington just don't seem to get it. I mean the schools in this area now require so much paperwork and proof of residency as a result of what went down that it would seem that the schools you mention would also be subject to the same type of thing. Had several discussions with the superintendants for the local school districts over trying to keep our oldest daughter in the same schools since our address is for that town and they are the closest schools, did not work out in our favor. Those superintendants were pretty disgusted to say the least over the doj's involvement and how things were handled. We go through 4 districts every day on the way to and from the county school, but it is a good school system. Our property is in two districts, and the one for the closest town where our oldest started out is just a few hundred yards away. My goodness what a backward world we live in. What you said there about what you went through with your daughter is insane. I have no idea how they are able to do it, but I taught two brothers who I know for a fact were illegals because both they and their parents told me so. So they figure out some way to get into school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TN Bucknasty Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 By the way, what all happened with the doj up there. I guess I must have missed something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 By the way, what all happened with the doj up there. I guess I must have missed something. It basically boiled down to being somewhat of a race issue and involved district lines. Humboldt was losing federal funding for people taking their kids to other schools when they were in the Humboldt district. Humboldts complaint was that some schools were allowing students out of district in their schools which was taking those students from the Humboldt schools. Surprising you did not hear about it, thought it became a mandate for all schools in this state, but maybe it was just specific to this area. The doj ruled that kids had to go to schools in the district in which they reside in no exceptions aside from children of school employees and they had to provide certain documentation supporting that they were in fact residents of that district. My oldest daughter was going to the closest local city elementary school when all that started, we had to pay a one time out of district fee of $50 when she first started there. Crazy thing is that the property we own was at one time in that district and our address, phone, and utilities are all that city and the ruling over the Humboldt school did not even have any bearing on us and hundreds of other people in this area, we are actually in the district for Trenton and Gibson county. Those folks up in Washington did not listen to reason, they made their ruling and that was it. So now instead of a 6 mile one way trip to the city school we go 18 miles one way to the elementary school, the middle school is a few miles closer. Fortunately the Gibson county schools are very good schools and our oldest will get to go to the new high school that just opened this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gzilla45 Posted May 1, 2010 Report Share Posted May 1, 2010 I see that yesterday some illegal scum decided to shoot an officer during a traffic stop. I hope the officer makes it ok. It's obvious they don't respect our laws and I hope other states follow AZ in what they are doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted May 1, 2010 Report Share Posted May 1, 2010 They ought to either playing in a club league or going through the proper channels before moving here. I don't even know how they are able to play because you are supposed to show proof of age and none of them have birth certificates. Can you imagine what backlash that would have?? Obamma would then have to provide us with his Birth certificate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flintlock1776 Posted May 2, 2010 Report Share Posted May 2, 2010 One down, one to go and then the other 48 and I'll be happy:1eye: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m gardner Posted May 2, 2010 Report Share Posted May 2, 2010 Here's a link to an Az news article saying how safe the border towns are. The most outstanding comment is that they say the cartels just pass through without hurting anyone. Here's a quote from the police chief. smugglers pass through as quickly and furtively as possible. "Everywhere you turn, there's some kind of law enforcement looking at you," Bermudez said. " The problem is that when you try to stop them they kill you like rancher Robert Krentz or the Gilbert cop who stopped two last winter and was shot in the back of the head during a routine traffic stop. They just shot a Pinal county deputy a few days ago too. Looks like the border towns have learned to look the other way so the violence doesn't come their way. Like the kids watching the bully at the other end of the schoolyard beating up kids. When he comes over to you, you offer no resistance. http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/05/02/20100502arizona-border-violence-mexico.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldawg Posted May 4, 2010 Report Share Posted May 4, 2010 I think the b.s that any kids that are born here by illegals automatically get a citizenship needs to stop, too. We are suffering badly because of the illegals; and it's about time to put a stop to it! Dawg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterbobb Posted May 4, 2010 Report Share Posted May 4, 2010 I'm tired of my tax money going to support illegal aliens. If they want to come here let them do it legally or stay out. Actually I'm tired of my tax money going to all kinds of stupid government programs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wobbly_Alaska Posted May 5, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2010 I'm tired of my tax money going to support illegal aliens. If they want to come here let them do it legally or stay out. Actually I'm tired of my tax money going to all kinds of stupid government programs. -------Original Message-------Only in America ! LET ME SEE IF I GOT THIS RIGHT..... IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 12 YEARS HARD LABOR. IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU ARE DETAINED INDEFINITELY. IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU GET SHOT. IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE JAILED. IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU MAY NEVER BE HEARD FROM AGAIN. IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE BRANDED A SPY AND YOUR FATE WILL BE SEALED. IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO POLITICAL PRISON TO ROT. IF YOU CROSS THE U.S. BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 1 - A JOB 2 - A DRIVERS LICENSE 3 - SOCIAL SECURITY CARD 4 - WELFARE 5 - FOOD STAMPS 6 - CREDIT CARDS 7 - SUBSIDIZED RENT OR A LOAN TO BUY A HOUSE 8 - FREE EDUCATION 9 - FREE HEALTH CARE 10 - A LOBBYIST IN WASHINGTON 11 - BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF PUBLIC DOCUMENTS PRINTED IN YOUR LANGUAGE 12 - AND THE RIGHT TO CARRY YOUR COUNTRY'S FLAG WHILE YOU PROTEST THAT YOU DON'T GET ENOUGH RESPECT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I HAD A FIRM GRASP ON THE SITUATION... Got it from elswhere but it fits... Vince Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterbobb Posted May 6, 2010 Report Share Posted May 6, 2010 I think that might be the best explanations of the situation I have ever here Wobbly. You should e mail to every elected offical in the country. Well done. :clap: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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