mossyhorn Posted April 28, 2010 Report Share Posted April 28, 2010 Hope someone can answer this for me because dish netwrok would let me talk to tech support because I am not a current customer. I had them before but there was no line of sight so it was point less to keep. But I want to change back and have an area where signal would be perfect, thing is it is about 350 feet from the house. I was wondering what kind of line loss there was with a dish? Would it work at this distance and would it help if I installed it with RG11 cable rather then RG6? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted April 28, 2010 Report Share Posted April 28, 2010 You sure you cannot get out? Had plenty of jobs we did that were previously turned down for the techs not proprely trained not seeing the opening. Possible too that your previous install was not placed at the best possible place to get you a signal. We had a few c band systems we installed on RG6 that were over 250 ft with minimal drop. The small dishes and their lnb's may require a line amp at that distance. I don't recall ever using RG11 on any residential small dish installs, but I have been out of the business a while. If it is an option the RG11 is obviouly going to have less drop than the RG6, however I am not so sure you are going to get that distance without using some sort of line amp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossyhorn Posted April 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 Well the reason I was asking because RG11 would be really easy to come by for me and thought I might stand a chance. Now as for the install the guys hooked it up that were not trained well. Then some other guys came out to look at it after it dropped out. They fixed it and 2 days later it went out again. Finally a guy came out laughed and said man sorry to tell you this should have never been put in. I work with cable is the line loss about the same. I know with use RG6 drops 5db every 100'. RG11 is somewhere like 2.5 to 3db per 100'. We can go 500' with it. Well sometimes more but 500' is the general rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TennesseeTurkey Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 Dish Network's rule is nothing over 250' (Im a Quality COntorl Inspector) any good tech wont install you over 250' but some sub contractior that are hard up for work will do whatever it take to make money. More often than not its a bad thing for the customer Ex. being NLOS (no line of sight) in the summer when the leaves are on the trees and it being installed in the winter and 6 months later when the leaves come in, you are stuck with whats left of a 24 month agreement. Ex 2, the tech uses RG 59 cable... yeah it works for about 4-5 months (maybe) then you either have to pay a trouble call fee if you dont have the warranty or $15 if you do have the warranty... ex 3 (pay attention here) tech installs you at 350' and it works for a few months but after a while you start losing signal and theres no where else to move the dish so either you cancel or live with it because our techs will not repeatedly change out 350' of cable month after month.... also good luck finding someone contractor or in house tech to dig a 350' trench for that cabel because aeiral runs of cable according to Dish Network's standards is a BIG no no..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossyhorn Posted April 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 I will be running it myself. 350' would be max it just depend on where I come into line of sight. I have 1000' roll of 11. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowtechTurkeyHunter Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 Yes it will work perfectly we do it all the time in the comercial field just not sure how dish is going to let you install your own dish since they will REQUIRE thier installers to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkneck Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 (Im a Quality COntorl Inspector) Now that's just a classic right there!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowin_in_illinois Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 (Im a Quality COntorl Inspector) Now that's just a classic right there!!! Definitely Classic...lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TennesseeTurkey Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 Now that's just a classic right there!!! I didnt say I could type Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TennesseeTurkey Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 I dont think its going to work mossyhorn because if you get a Dish Network tech and not a sub contractor he should tell you its not supposed to work like that or if you get a sub contractor and if that RG11 dosent work (Ive never tried RG11 with our system) that sub wont supply you 350' of burial orange because he has to buy it himself. Speaking of that an in house tech shouldnt use that RG11 because I bet that it dosent have a static ground wire on it and its not orange cable... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 If you still have your equipment just put it in yourself. Pretty sure I have a few dish receivers, have several receivers for direct and probably at least a half a dozen different 18 inch antennas, but it is all older equipment. Run an extension cord or three out and setup a small tv to your receiver where you can fine tune it right there in place. Dish settings(elevation and offset) are not going to change, all you would have to do is get your pole level and get the dish azimuth in correct direction. These receivers have signal strength meters, you can adjust the dish while watching the meter on your screen to get the best signal. If dish is going to give you a hard time which would be no surprise just go with direct. They are much easier to deal with. On dish installers, they set up my mothers dish on freaking concrete blocks out in her yard with the wires laying in the yard. What a joke. Sounds like they need better qc in the middle Tennessee area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkneck Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 I thought DTV's customer service was better than Dishnet's too. I've got to go back sometime and bury my coax deeper. I don't think the guy that came out last fall when I went back to Dish even broke through the grass good. There are some crappy installers out there for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TennesseeTurkey Posted May 1, 2010 Report Share Posted May 1, 2010 If you still have your equipment just put it in yourself. Pretty sure I have a few dish receivers, have several receivers for direct and probably at least a half a dozen different 18 inch antennas, but it is all older equipment. Run an extension cord or three out and setup a small tv to your receiver where you can fine tune it right there in place. Dish settings(elevation and offset) are not going to change, all you would have to do is get your pole level and get the dish azimuth in correct direction. These receivers have signal strength meters, you can adjust the dish while watching the meter on your screen to get the best signal. If dish is going to give you a hard time which would be no surprise just go with direct. They are much easier to deal with. On dish installers, they set up my mothers dish on freaking concrete blocks out in her yard with the wires laying in the yard. What a joke. Sounds like they need better qc in the middle Tennessee area. They do that for temp mounts if they have to call 811 for dig safe if they are digging around power or gas lines... if that isnt a temp mount then that definately wasnt a Dish Tech, that was a sub contractor... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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