hunterbobb Posted June 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 They haven't made an elk yet that can take a properly placed 30-30 slug from a moderatee range and walk away..............very far. The 30-30 ain't no 350 yard "anything" round. But within it's useful range, with a properly placed shot, it'll kill stuff as dead as anything else will. See that phrase moderate range always pops up when we talk about the 30-30. As ethical hunters don't we owe it to the game we hunt to use the best equipment available to ensure a clean kill. Why use a rifle that is moderate anything when there are better options available. :gun2: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan Givan Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 See that phrase moderate range always pops up when we talk about the 30-30. As ethical hunters don't we owe it to the game we hunt to use the best equipment available to ensure a clean kill. Why use a rifle that is moderate anything when there are better options available. :gun2: Why buy a rifle to kill deer at 400 yards when its rare for someone to get a shot past 150 yards? What is considered marginal in one situation may not be in another. Heck we can take your position a step further and say that we need to elk hunt with a .50 bmg because Im sure it would be more ethical than a 7mm Mag, which would be marginal out past 700 yards or so :hammer1: The bottom line is the .30-30 has been around for a very long time so it obviously has worked very well. If it really was a "marginal" rifle then it would have become obsolete a long time ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 ...we need to elk hunt with a .50 bmg because Im sure it would be more ethical than a 7mm Mag, which would be marginal out past 700 yards... May I suggest....the .416 Barrett instead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkneck Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 I'm thinking .338 Lapua. I've always wanted one of those. Makes nice ethical kills at good range while hunting over my corn pile at night in a small fenced enclosure during the summer. seriously though.... I don't know when we "owed" anything to our game to make the most efficient kill possible. It's called a "sport" for a reason. If I wanted the best chance of a kill, I would only hunt during rifle season with my Weatherby. We are the apex predators, we generally play God in the field, but even on our worst days we are kinder than what Mother Nature dishes out on her own. Just my one cent, couldnt come up with two, got a ballgame to head out to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 I don't know when we "owed" anything to our game to make the most efficient kill possible. It's called a "sport" for a reason. If I wanted the best chance of a kill, I would only hunt during rifle season with my Weatherby. We are the apex predators, we generally play God in the field, but even on our worst days we are kinder than what Mother Nature dishes out on her own. What a great reply!! Imagine where all the bowhunters and muzzleloaders would be if we all seriously believed that we were obligated to use the most efficient weapon possible. We have a lot of ways that we put challenge into hunting, and occasionally that challenge takes the form of using something other than the "best equipment available". And by golly, that's not necessarily a bad thing. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jokostel Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 Amen to that, Doc.... Where I hunt ( from Belfield,ND south and west to the Montana line, long shots are the norm... I RARELY get a chance to shoot under 250 yards, and on average Id say the majority ofmy shots are around 350-480yards. I use a 280 Rem ( Im comfortable with that to around 440), a 7 RUM ( at LEAST 550-650yards)... and I also have a 300 win that I run 150 Gmxs in.... I do have the everday weaponry when I hunt riverbottoms though... a 35 Whelen ( loaded with 220HCFNs to 2700fps) and a 45/70 barrel strapped to a siamese mauser action... 400 grain flat nose... ( dont recall the exact fps, but I am running #1 pressure ranges) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 Why use a rifle that is moderate anything when there are better options available. I'm all for overkill. I'm the founder of the OTP-freakin'-G, for heaven's sake!!! But by your logic, we should all drive ZR1 'Vettes because 638 horsepower will get you to church faster than most anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan Givan Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 ...we should all drive ZR1 'Vettes because 638 horsepower will get you to church faster than most anything else. Now thats my kind of overkill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 I'm thinking .338 Lapua. I've always wanted one of those. Makes nice ethical kills at good range while hunting over my corn pile at night in a small fenced enclosure during the summer. ROFLMBO...I nearly spit my drink on the keyboard. Goodun!!!:clap: seriously though.... I don't know when we "owed" anything to our game to make the most efficient kill possible. It's called a "sport" for a reason. If I wanted the best chance of a kill, I would only hunt during rifle season with my Weatherby. We are the apex predators, we generally play God in the field, but even on our worst days we are kinder than what Mother Nature dishes out on her own. Just my one cent, couldnt come up with two, got a ballgame to head out to What a great reply!! Imagine where all the bowhunters and muzzleloaders would be if we all seriously believed that we were obligated to use the most efficient weapon possible. We have a lot of ways that we put challenge into hunting, and occasionally that challenge takes the form of using something other than the "best equipment available". And by golly, that's not necessarily a bad thing. Doc Well said by both of you...There are times when I enjoy the challenge of breaking out my .308 pistol too. My personal limitations fall well short of a 30-30 rifle's effective range with that weapon too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowana Posted June 10, 2010 Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 Now thats my kind of overkill Now...if we could only get one in four wheel drive....THAT MY FRIENDS WOULD BE OVERKILL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tink Posted June 10, 2010 Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 Cool your jets AmigoWRONG THE . .22lr RIFLE RIM FIRE HAS KILLED MORE DEER AS ITS THE MOST COMMON CALIBER USED TO POACH DEER IN THE USA , MEXICO AND CANADA the .22 rim fire is so deadly as a poachers weapon that its totally banned in South Africa and less that 600 gun permit liscenes are issue in total for.22RF in all of South Africa Tink Nathan former African Professional Hunter & ex African game Warden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan Givan Posted June 10, 2010 Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 WRONG THE . .22lr RIFLE RIM FIRE HAS KILLED MORE DEER AS ITS THE MOST COMMON CALIBER USED TO POACH DEER IN THE USA , MEXICO AND CANADA the .22 rim fire is so deadly as a poachers weapon that its totally banned in South Africa and less that 600 gun permit liscenes are issue in total for.22RF in all of South Africa Tink Nathan former African Professional Hunter & ex African game Warden Still cant prove it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tink Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 Who cares? This place is dull so I thought I would throw in a firecrackers... TINK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Metal Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 Still cant prove it.The instructor for the hunter safety course I took in Sacramento years ago made the same statement. I think the key word would be "legally." Legally taken deer, I'd put my money on the .30-30. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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