What the MI DNR will do to make money

[slughunter]

A couple weeks ago me and a buddy were attending the 2010 ATV rally in Hurley WI, but our hotel was in Ironwood MI. So it was literally a 3 minute ride from one town to the other by quad but about 15 minutes by truck. So we jump on the MI trail and start riding to WI, and right on the state line is 3 MI atv wardens nabbing people for not having MI atv trail passes. To me that just wasnt right, especially when you have over 1500 quad riders up there helping the local economy. Maybe its just me who thinks it was wrong but I just had to vent about that one.

-shane

[92xj]

ok, let me get this straight.

You were riding on MI land on your fourwheeler without a MI trail pass and you are confused about why you got a ticket?

You know when you are driving down the road in a 35 mile an hour zone and a half mile down the road you know it goes to 65. Well try going 65 a half mile before in the 35 mile an hour zone and see what happens.

Man up, play by the rules, support both states if you are going to ride in both, even if it is for two minutes, because without their access you would not ride at all.

[WIwhitetailhunter]

When I first read Shane's post yesterday, I thought, man that's just wrong.

Now I just read 92xj's post and have a totally different opinion. Good post reply!

As much as it sucks, the warden's were doing the job they are responsible for doing.

Were there any WI warden's sitting at the boarder issuing citations to MI riders without a WI sticker? If not, maybe they should have been.

[tom wayman]

play the game or pay the price.we dont have that up here[i dont think] i got 370 acr to ride on so i don't worrie

[HUNTINGMAN]

Man that stinks,but if your breaking the law and know it you probably need a ticket. I'm glad there are no trail passes needed in ky.

[mallard_drake85]

They MI DNR will use the money collected for maintenance of those trails that you are utilizing. To pay a fee to play is actually beneficial to the conservation of said activity.

[slughunter]

I understand that rules are rules, and fortunatly the officers didnt issue us any tickets. But I talked to multiple WI dnr after the parade and all of them said the same thing, that they werent there to issue tickets for trail pass violations, they were there to enforce safe riding and crack down on OWI riders. I just think its rediculous that the MI dnr would put such high enforcement on the half a mile of trail that people were using. Made it so that I will never return to MI to ride.

-shane

[Dawg]

Sounds like they were doing their job. If you were on the MI side and didn't have a pass, you were in violation of the law. They had every right to issue citations if they wanted to. The quad riders might have been helping the local economy, but very little, if any, of their money probably went toward any type of conservation.

Break the law, pay the price.

[Michiganbowhunter_SQ2]

A couple weeks ago me and a buddy were attending the 2010 ATV rally in Hurley WI, but our hotel was in Ironwood MI. So it was literally a 3 minute ride from one town to the other by quad but about 15 minutes by truck. So we jump on the MI trail and start riding to WI, and right on the state line is 3 MI atv wardens nabbing people for not having MI atv trail passes. To me that just wasnt right, especially when you have over 1500 quad riders up there helping the local economy. Maybe its just me who thinks it was wrong but I just had to vent about that one.

-shane

I understand that rules are rules, and fortunatly the officers didnt issue us any tickets. But I talked to multiple WI dnr after the parade and all of them said the same thing, that they werent there to issue tickets for trail pass violations, they were there to enforce safe riding and crack down on OWI riders. I just think its rediculous that the MI dnr would put such high enforcement on the half a mile of trail that people were using. Made it so that I will never return to MI to ride.

-shane

So according to the things I put in bold, there was a big ATV shindig going on, tons of people were using the trails, and according to the Wi DNR, it was to enforce safe riding and stop riders who were OWI .

What is the problem??

With that many riders I would be more surprised if they DIDN'T have high enforcement in that area.

Is there any difference between that and lets say, the security/police in a city or town being enforcement more than usual because of a weekend long concert or festival?

[dbHunterNY]

Them being there isn't a far out idea. They could've been writing up tickets left and right too, but they weren't. I've heard of worse.

[slughunter]

So according to the things I put in bold, there was a big ATV shindig going on, tons of people were using the trails, and according to the Wi DNR, it was to enforce safe riding and stop riders who were OWI .

What is the problem??

With that many riders I would be more surprised if they DIDN'T have high enforcement in that area.

Is there any difference between that and lets say, the security/police in a city or town being enforcement more than usual because of a weekend long concert or festival?

Im glad they had high enforcement, it was needed. What bugged me is that the MI dnr were over enforcing a small quarter mile of their trails by WI and handing out tickets for no trail pass. Seems like a low blow, no one wanted to be on MI property and they should of been a little more understanding of the event like WI and lifted the trail pass requirement for the weekend, not doing whatever they could to sell full year trail passes that most people were only gonna use for the 2-3 days they were there.

-shane

[92xj]

Im glad they had high enforcement, it was needed. What bugged me is that the MI dnr were over enforcing a small quarter mile of their trails by WI and handing out tickets for no trail pass. Seems like a low blow, no one wanted to be on MI property and they should of been a little more understanding of the event like WI and lifted the trail pass requirement for the weekend, not doing whatever they could to sell full year trail passes that most people were only gonna use for the 2-3 days they were there.

-shane

Dude,

do you think these guys volunteer their time to work? What pays their salary? What pays to keep the trails open. So, they knew where the majority of the riding was going to take place and they were there. I still cant understand why you were pissed, it is in their state and they are doing their job. What if you owned a 15 acre field behind your house and guys that you did not know and did not give permission to were riding 20 yards inside of your property line or were hunting the very edge in the corner of the field. I bet you would be pissed and not blow it off.

It's funny that the people that are in the wrong are always so butthurt. A law is a law, it doesnt matter the time, place, event, how many people are their, or how close is it to the borders.

Guilty and people that are hardheaded and dont think they are ever in the wrong will take a mile when given an inch.

What if we let illegals that are a 1/2 mile into the USA? Do we just talk to them, tell them not to do it and go about our day?

Also, no one made you go on MI property. If you say you didnt want to be on it, then do go on it. And dont say you "had" to. Nobody made you go riding.

Edited June 23, 2010 by 92xj

[slughunter]

Well if you dont get where im coming from in my last 3 replys, then you probably never will. I can tell your one of those guys that just loves argueing and so im not even gonna try reasoning with you anymore.

-shane

[Shaun_300]

I do see what you're saying Shane, it does suck with them sitting there right on the state line when you're only using that much of the trail. But I'm sure that's not the only time they sit there. It's probably a pretty popular spot to patrol if you ask me. Doesn't matter if your 6 feet or 60 miles into the state, rules are rules.

Ontario and Quebec are like that too with the snowmobile trails. Most people in this area of Ontario like to rip across the river into Quebec because it's more rural with more trails to ride. I've heard of the OPP sitting on the Ontario shore waiting checking people that are crossing the river to make sure they have their passes.

[slughunter]

I do see what you're saying Shane, it does suck with them sitting there right on the state line when you're only using that much of the trail. But I'm sure that's not the only time they sit there. It's probably a pretty popular spot to patrol if you ask me. Doesn't matter if your 6 feet or 60 miles into the state, rules are rules.

Ontario and Quebec are like that too with the snowmobile trails. Most people in this area of Ontario like to rip across the river into Quebec because it's more rural with more trails to ride. I've heard of the OPP sitting on the Ontario shore waiting checking people that are crossing the river to make sure they have their passes.

I know what your saying, I know rules are rules, just seemed rediculous that MI wouldnt raise the Permit Requirement for the weekend like WI. Seems like they were money hungry. Oh well, I still bought the pass and rode legally.

-shane