Optima - White Hots - 300gr Thor

[FrontierGander]

Got a bunch of 250 ballistic tips and 300gr HP Thor's in today and so i figured since the Optima was scoped, i'd load up 100gr of White Hots and the 300gr Thor. Started off at 50 yards and took 3 shots to get the scope zeroed in 1 1/2" high @ 50 and then took the rifle inside to swab out. 2 windex patches and i was finished cleaning.

Loaded up my gear onto the ATV and set up a fresh target at 100 yards. A few inches to the left but center.

I pulled shot #2 which was my fault due to me keeping my hand on the adjustment bar on the lead sled Shots 1 and 3 are touching.

They look good together i think,

Pellet fits right into the Thors hollow base,

[Goinghuntin]

Good lookin' setup How do you like those White Hots? I thought about trying them in my gun.

Nathan

[FrontierGander]

I dont have much experience with them yet but so far so good! I need to find the lower temp muzzleloader primers as the W209's i am using now do leave a crud ring. Its a soft crud ring that you can easily push through but its still there.

[Goinghuntin]

I also noticed that you removed the front sight from your Optima too. That sure is one sweet setup you have there

Nathan

[FrontierGander]

yep, the open sights will go back on soon though as we're required to use open sights during muzzleloader season.

[Goinghuntin]

yep, the open sights will go back on soon though as we're required to use open sights during muzzleloader season.

Wow really?! Where do you hunt???

Nathan

[johnp034]

Problem is, the crud ring is from the powder, not the primer. Guys that are using the pistol or rifle primer conversions still get a crud ring using 777, White Hots or Pyrodex, and pistol/rifle primers are extremely clean burning.

JohnP

[Switchback29A1]

So how would you compare the cleaning process of the whitehots to triple 7 or pyrodex?

[FrontierGander]

Problem is, the crud ring is from the powder, not the primer. Guys that are using the pistol or rifle primer conversions still get a crud ring using 777, White Hots or Pyrodex, and pistol/rifle primers are extremely clean burning.

JohnP

Actually the primers cause pure **** on accuracy and crud rings. The full power primers can cause horrible accuracy and not to mention the crud ring.

I did some shooting today with the white hots and cci 209m primers. I think 6" 3 shot group was the best i could pull off. I did pull a 14" group with the T7 magnum pellets though! And here i was all upset over the 6" group LOL.

Primers, they DO make a difference.

The White Hots do clean up a lot easier, the fouling seems softer and when you push a damp patch down the bore, you push out greyish/white fouling.

[dbHunterNY]

.... I did pull a 14" group with the T7 magnum pellets though! ...

At what distance? 150 or 200 yards?? I can't imagine anything being that inaccurate, at 100 yards.

[FrontierGander]

100 yards. those cci 209m's just are not the primer to use with pellets, way to hot. The crud ring i was getting with the T7's was by far the worse ive ever got in a rifle.

[dbHunterNY]

Never would of thought. I can hold MOA at 100 yards will a full 150 grains of 777 pellets in my T/C, using Remington Kleenbore primers. I'm not sure how hot they are compared to others.

[FrontierGander]

the kleanbores are pretty good primers, i used them years ago in an old Winchester bolt action muzzle loader. They are low power primers. I actually will pick some up the next time at a sporting goods store and give them a try with the t7 magnums. Do you get a crud ring where you have to swab after each shot? This is one thing that i hate doing

[Goinghuntin]

the kleanbores are pretty good primers, i used them years ago in an old Winchester bolt action muzzle loader. They are low power primers. I actually will pick some up the next time at a sporting goods store and give them a try with the t7 magnums. Do you get a crud ring where you have to swab after each shot? This is one thing that i hate doing

I shoot the Kleanbores and they've been pretty good to me so far. I get good clean ignition every time and I only have to clean up the crud ring when I take the gun in at the end of the night for a complete cleaning.

Nathan

[dbHunterNY]

the kleanbores are pretty good primers, i used them years ago in an old Winchester bolt action muzzle loader. They are low power primers. I actually will pick some up the next time at a sporting goods store and give them a try with the t7 magnums. Do you get a crud ring where you have to swab after each shot? This is one thing that i hate doing

I do. I clean after every shot for accuracy/consistency, however I can load and shoot again without cleaning. I have noticed the ring breaks up easily, but I know where you're coming from. I'd rather not have it, but as I said it doesn't matter too much cleaning after each shot.