mike Posted June 30, 2010 Report Share Posted June 30, 2010 Hey now Jeremie! Calling someone a scab because they are not union is quite an insult, whether you realize it or not there are for more of us non-union boys out there making the world go round then there is union. I consider myself a true craftsman and quite an accomplished carpenter. Why do I have to be called a scab because I am not union? Can you image the lawsuits that would be filed on behalf of the unions if us employers used derogatory terms like that to refer to a union employee? You can bet your rear there woould be and anyone that doesn't agree is nieve (spelling). That scab worker has mouths to feed just like a union worker does, to them work is work. I have a buddy thats a union ironworker thats been on the bench since last october with no work, but there is a ton of work going on, he just can't take it because they are not union shops. Tell me how much the unions helping them right now? And I am not uset by any means Jeremy, but calling someone a scab because they don't believe in the union way is not cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kat Posted June 30, 2010 Report Share Posted June 30, 2010 I agree mikeb. Without the union my family has no health insurance and I would be without the pension I've earned so far. If I was working in a job with a 401k I woulda lost it like the rest of u. But my union pension is safe and sound and didn't lose one dollar. As for the lazy remark....come do my job one day and call me lazy. Call me untrained....yet come try to even attempt my job. You will fall flat on your face. It took me 3 years to get the position I have now and I am highly trained. The only difference between me and u is I have a company who represents me to make sure I get fair treatment and wages. NOT ALL UNIONS ARE THE SAME. I'm not offended by any anti union comments here....just get your facts straight and don't stream line all unions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kat Posted June 30, 2010 Report Share Posted June 30, 2010 Hey now Jeremie! Calling someone a scab because they are not union is quite an insult, whether you realize it or not there are for more of us non-union boys out there making the world go round then there is union. I consider myself a true craftsman and quite an accomplished carpenter. Why do I have to be called a scab because I am not union? Can you image the lawsuits that would be filed on behalf of the unions if us employers used derogatory terms like that to refer to a union employee? You can bet your rear there woould be and anyone that doesn't agree is nieve (spelling). That scab worker has mouths to feed just like a union worker does, to them work is work. I have a buddy thats a union ironworker thats been on the bench since last october with no work, but there is a ton of work going on, he just can't take it because they are not union shops. Tell me how much the unions helping them right now? And I am not uset by any means Jeremy, but calling someone a scab because they don't believe in the union way is not cool We call em RATS But that doesn't apply to anyone but a non union pipeliner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike Posted June 30, 2010 Report Share Posted June 30, 2010 According to wikipedia only about 12% of our work force is union and over half of them are public employees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkneck Posted June 30, 2010 Report Share Posted June 30, 2010 On to page 5...... When I grow up I wanna be a non-union pipeliner.... errr Rat.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike Posted June 30, 2010 Report Share Posted June 30, 2010 On to page 5...... pot stir-er Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkneck Posted June 30, 2010 Report Share Posted June 30, 2010 Who me?!?.... Nooooo! I'm innocent I tells ya. Actually it's just that I've spoke my piece on the UAW before and I think it ended up a 5 pager... :D:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike Posted June 30, 2010 Report Share Posted June 30, 2010 Who me?!?.... Nooooo! I'm innocent I tells ya. Actually it's just that I've spoke my piece on the UAW before and I think it ended up a 5 pager... :D:D well my expirience with unions are that they are fanatical! Your either union or your nobody, so much for people having choices eh? :D:D:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkneck Posted June 30, 2010 Report Share Posted June 30, 2010 well my expirience with unions are that they are fanatical! Your either union or your nobody, so much for people having choices eh? :D:D:D I'm with you brotha. Not saying all of them are bad, I know they do well for some folks, but my experience has been with the UAW, and I just don't think it's right to be able to sleep on the job.... literally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kat Posted July 1, 2010 Report Share Posted July 1, 2010 Spoken like ratty rats! :D:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkneck Posted July 1, 2010 Report Share Posted July 1, 2010 Are we at page 5 yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawg Posted July 1, 2010 Report Share Posted July 1, 2010 Are we at page 5 yet? 3. I love Mossy Oak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkneck Posted July 1, 2010 Report Share Posted July 1, 2010 3. I love Mossy Oak. You would. Where's the brand loyalty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawg Posted July 1, 2010 Report Share Posted July 1, 2010 (edited) Ford, Chevy, Dodge.....they all roll down the road. Edited July 1, 2010 by Dawg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkneck Posted July 1, 2010 Report Share Posted July 1, 2010 You can't kill deer with MO camo. Look it up moron, it's well documented. Scott, don't forget to send my check! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wobbly_Alaska Posted July 1, 2010 Report Share Posted July 1, 2010 my experience with unions have been bitter sweet. one was a public employees Union that i was required to be a member of to work for the state... and was asked to strike once... i said no. if i am paid to do a job i do the job, but after that i got in trouble for doing my job on a regular basis. working to hard, showing others up, making them look bad. in the end i wound up quitting because the dead beat drunk i worked beside was able to work the union to his benefit and be a drunk abusive ass on the job while the rest of us paid for it.... he got 20 min of alone time in a room for threating the life of another memeber....... Teachers unions are the ones i don't like the most... seems they always take it out on the kids during the school year. they should not be allowed to negotiate during the school year and get it all done during the break. any union that threatens to shut down the productivity of the company they are contracted to work for ... should not work for them period. especially in the state of this current economy. guy walks off the job there are 300 more waiting for one. 10% unemployment running rampant now? geewhiz.... hard to figure what a company would do. as a business owner i am not in business to Meek a meager profit.... we try to provide the best equipment and services avalible.... but if it cost me to do it???? not a chance . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wobbly_Alaska Posted July 1, 2010 Report Share Posted July 1, 2010 You can't kill deer with MO camo. Look it up moron, it's well documented. Scott, don't forget to send my check! especially in up here... it has to be carharts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m gardner Posted July 1, 2010 Report Share Posted July 1, 2010 Isn't the ideology of redistribution of wealth at the core of the unions? I think the idea was brought here and fostered by the Marxists wasn't it? So if that's true then the unionists must be closet Obama supporters.:boo::D Stir, stir, stir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phredator Posted July 1, 2010 Report Share Posted July 1, 2010 Isn't a Union a form of Socialism? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkneck Posted July 1, 2010 Report Share Posted July 1, 2010 :jaw: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesse8953 Posted July 1, 2010 Report Share Posted July 1, 2010 I worked at a union shop[before I got laid off].The union helped us labor workers keep the company honest.We had a new plant manager that thought he could walk on water and change anything he wanted.He was wrong!I still have a chance to get my old job back[next person to get called back].I do not agree with a slacker hiding behind the union for a job.But I do think some companies need help keeping there management honest.Buy the was that new plant manager has quit and moved on.The plant seems to be getting better from what I have heard.If you work for a good honest company there should be no reason for a union,but not every company is that way.jmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adjam5 Posted July 1, 2010 Report Share Posted July 1, 2010 Not all unions are the same my friends. The one I have belonged to for 26 years has done real well for myself and my family. That is the IBEW Local 3 NYC. I am a journeyman wireman. 5 years of electrical school and a 2 year associates degree in Science. The college degree is necessary for promotion to journeyman. How many construction trades have college educated workers with degrees? There are no guaranteed jobs in construction unions. You don't work hard/ good or craftsman like, you don't work. What my unions does is secure a fairs days work for a fair days pay. The contractors we work for do not have to agree to be signatory with the union, but they KNOW we turn out the best and most highly trained electricians in NYC through our apprenticeship program. Unions built NYC and as far as I know. That place is standing tall. As was mentioned in a previous post. There is about 12% of the work force population that is unionized. How can 12% of anything be a detriment to the rest of the work force? Also...every non union worker is treated better(wages/benefits) by there employer because of the ground work laid down by unions to protect ALL workers. My union is not perfect and I know that. I have had lots of unemployment. That is the economy. My family and I also had medical benefits for 39 weeks after my last days work. Where are you getting that? But understand this...unions were born because of the abuses done to workers. Now if we can trust all bosses and owners to play fair...then there would be no need for any type of labor organization...right? No company would ever screw a worker(s) right? Everything a boss does is upfront and fair for the worker right? That is why collective bargaining helps workers get a fair wage for a fair days work. Not all unions are the same. As far as scabs go...they are just looking for work. All of this is being orchestrated by the corporate lawyers. Honeywell is union here in NYC. And for the record...I always vote conservative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunt or be Hunted Posted July 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2010 Hey now Jeremie! Calling someone a scab because they are not union is quite an insult, whether you realize it or not there are for more of us non-union boys out there making the world go round then there is union. I consider myself a true craftsman and quite an accomplished carpenter. Why do I have to be called a scab because I am not union? Can you image the lawsuits that would be filed on behalf of the unions if us employers used derogatory terms like that to refer to a union employee? You can bet your rear there woould be and anyone that doesn't agree is nieve (spelling). That scab worker has mouths to feed just like a union worker does, to them work is work. I have a buddy thats a union ironworker thats been on the bench since last october with no work, but there is a ton of work going on, he just can't take it because they are not union shops. Tell me how much the unions helping them right now? And I am not uset by any means Jeremy, but calling someone a scab because they don't believe in the union way is not cool I'm not calling you or anyone on this forum a Scab. where did you get that? I'm just saying that the people that took my friends place and all the Union places place are. I mean I know they have to make money don't get me wrong. But I don't like how they are doing it. What are the people that locked out gonna do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phredator Posted July 1, 2010 Report Share Posted July 1, 2010 Were you a fan of President Reagon? He was very anti-union. Especially if you were an Air Traffic Controller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkneck Posted July 1, 2010 Report Share Posted July 1, 2010 Told ya you were stepping into a hole with this one Jeremy! Like I said, I havent read the issues between Honeywell and the union there, but it's their fault, not the guy walking off the street wanting to work. Lots of us non-union rats find the term "scabs" a little offensive. I think though we all know where you're coming from, you obviously are concerned over your neighbor and nothing wrong with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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