My opinion...sorry in advance.

[redkneck]

Here is my opinion. We all know how there were/are "clicks" here, just like in everyday life. And if you weren't a part of a "click", and posted something, chances are your post didn't get many comments. Now if you were part of a "click", you could post the same thing, and watch that topic explode!!! And if for some reason you and a member of a "click" had a disagreement, then the "mob" mentality took over, and everyone wanted that one person's head. And it doesn't matter how much time had passed, or how the individuals handled it, it still happens. Sad but true

I know exactly where you're coming from Jason.

[Texan_Til_I_Die]

... Alls I'm trying to point out here is that it's this overstating of opinions and lecturing that has became a common practice here that has killed our forums. Trust me I'm not the only one who thinks this. I get a PM every other week or so from a long lost forum member, or current member here asking me WTH happen to this place. I don't mind the opinions.....not one bit. Just saw a good example of the problem....thats all.

Yep, folks have been a bit preachy lately. And I don't mean that in the religious sense of the word.

So, to make up for that, I think I'll go out to one of my deer huntin' spots, toss back several cold ones, and burn through a couple hundred rounds with the AR. Then when I'm finished, I'm going home and sit on the couch in my underwear and drink more beer! HA!!!!

[Rhino]

Here is my opinion. We all know how there were/are "clicks" here, just like in everyday life. And if you weren't a part of a "click", and posted something, chances are your post didn't get many comments. Now if you were part of a "click", you could post the same thing, and watch that topic explode!!! And if for some reason you and a member of a "click" had a disagreement, then the "mob" mentality took over, and everyone wanted that one person's head. And it doesn't matter how much time had passed, or how the individuals handled it, it still happens. Sad but true

I know exactly where you're coming from Jason.

Me too! :eat:

[ruttinbuc]

I know exactly where you're coming from Jason.

Me too! :eat:

I must be blind, I don't see it where it really amounts to mutiny. :turned:

[92xj]

List them.

[Casey]

I agree there have been clicks on here before. Don't know if there are anymore, but I think about 2 or 3 years ago there were clicks!

[Shaun_300]

Well I'll finally step in. I've been a reader in this thread since it started. Had me from the hair standing on the back of my neck from different comments, to laughing at others. Here's my opinion. Jason you are right about the clicks, I remember back when I first joined the forums in 2004 about that. You don't really see that much anymore now. I do believe why the forums are so quiet though is because people are busy during the summer, and also like Mike said about Facebook, it seems to be the hot item on the internet now. I look at Facebook now and again, maybe once a day, browse through. Not on it all the time and surely wouldn't choose it over Realtree. But that's just me. People have their own lives and things they like to do, no insult against them for what they choose to do. Some of the sarcasm around this place lately really drives me nuts. Especially when it's personal or just plain stupid that should never be joked about that casual forum browsers would shake their head in disgust, maybe that's another reason why there's less traffic.

And when it comes to peoples own choices of everyday life and they post them on an open forum, sure there may be some replies they may not agree about. But when lectures and daddy speaches are thrown at them, that isn't right either. If Kyle wants to get a motorcycle, who cares? If anything be happy for the guy. He works his tail off travelling to different parts of the country to work long hours to provide for his family, he deserves something for himself! Especially when it's not something that Jenn refuses and doesn't want him to have. Great! Not sure if you got the bike yet Kyle, last time I read through this thread and the last one you hadn't yet. But if you did great, and congrats on the new ride. And if you weren't sure and are still researching, great too! There's lots of bikes around, there'll always be another one that'll have exactly what you want on it at the right price.

I'm done.

[JimT]

Please wear a helmet my son...

[jaret]

The clicks and the drama of some of the things that were going on was part of the reason I haven't really been all that active and posting like I used to in the past. I was going through my own drama a year ago and didn't want to hear more garbage. I would regularly check in and read a few posts, but never really replied that much. I never really posted too much of my personal life (maybe the day of my wedding, eventhough that was a waste lol ) mainly because my hobbies not a lot of people liked or cared for: music and songwriting.

Kyle, don't care what people think. It's your hard earned money. You deserve to spend some on yourself. Like Jim said, make sure you buy a helmet. Be safe out there.

[Dawg]

I am in a clique (yes that is the correct spelling.......I looked it up ) me, myself and I. The three of us get along most of the time.

:stupid:

Alls I can say is........deer season needs to hurry up and get here, this cabin fever is starting to get to some of y'all!!!!!

[dbHunterNY]

We all have an appointment before God......

.....if you'd man up and get the 1000 you could be 5 minutes early.

HAHAHA!! I still say the 600 gixer is enough. If you want it buy it! Find some others to ride with too!

[Tominator]

You'll shoot your eye out kid.

BTW--when you coming up for a visit?

[hunter109]

i dont think they should bee telling what is rigt and wrong man you have a point i know a few that dont post here because of that well good luck man on the bike

[jbeck]

http://www.realtree.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45848&highlight=poached+deer+pic

I've been at the recieving end of those opinions, remember this one. OOOHHH was I mad. Heck this thing got more response than our adoption in China.

[BowJoe]

Kyle, you and I rag on each other a lot but I just want to say this. If you are not prepared to immediately let others voice their opinion, both good and bad, about a thread you posted, then you are too thin skinned and shouldn't post any further opinions yourself. It's like I see this everywhere now. One person posts their opinion and because somebody else doesn't like it, they get overly offended and start knit picking what others post. If all you wanted was for others to say, "Way to go!" and "You the man!" then maybe you should post that in a motorcycle forum. As it is, you posted that on a forum where many have known you for years and care about you and your precious family's well being. Can you honestly say that any one of the posts were intended to offend you? So why be offended? You seem to forget that sometimes experience doesn't have to be the best teacher. A great quote I once heard was this, "Law without consequences is just advice." It's just advice buddy and no-one is trying to force their way on you. We care. That used to be what made this forum above all others. Now it's something for others to ***** about.

Moving on to my next comment, I see the cliques and have seen them for a long time. I can't remember the last time somebody responded to one of my Threads. Not that they have to but it does make one wonder why. I think there are a lot of people on here who forget that just saying hi to a newbie doesn't mean you welcomed them. A lot of the morons on here will comment on a thread and totally ignore anyone else's comments until they either say something too hard to ignore or it calls for a banning. I remember when I had a lot of people on here join as one to get rid of the chick from Scotland when they found out what she was doing. I remember when a newbie attacked a frequent poster on here and everyone blew up the thread in their friend's defense. A lot of people used to care and now it's about infighting because a lot of people that used to enjoy this thread got tired of being told their opinion wasn't wanted... much like this thread. Kyle, you're like a son/brother/friend/adviser to a lot of people on here and we've had our share of tragedy. Some people just don't want to see anymore.

[Newarcher]

I can't believe I missed this thread since it was mostly about my reply to your earlier thread....

As I mentioned in my post, there was no offense meant in anything I said. Sorry if I messed up your thread but your post introduced many different things than just some pics of your fun day with the family. It seemed to me that you might be walking into some insurance pitfalls--many people find out too late their insurance didn't cover what they thought it did. I was trying to help you.

As for calling into question your finances, I only did that because you mentioned you couldn't or wouldn't afford anything other than liability. IMHO, if you can't afford the right insurance then you can't afford the bike....that's satisfying your selfish wants instead of your family's needs. Now you may very well remember that I said in a later post on the same thread that you might be able to get away with liability but counseled you to make ABSOLUTELY sure that other policies covered what you think they will and don't exclude motorcycle accidents as some policies do. Likewise, some life insurance policies will not cover you if you are killed in a bike wreck if you didn't rate as a rider. I think that bounced right off your skull it seems.

As for the rest, the money WOULD be better spent putting it in savings, establishing or increasing a college fund, or doing something for your future with it than buying a depreciating asset that could very well get you killed or crippled for life. Some of us have a few more miles on us than you and know all together too well how running lean can come back to bite a person, how quickly those jobs which maintain your lifestyle can go away, or how quickly some major unforeseen event can change your life.

Your own family has begged you not to get a bike and others here have shared their experiences yet you still say up yours to everyone but yourself.

You strike me as very young and as someone having more adrenalin than wisdom running through your veins....let's all hope for your kid's sake that you live long enough to see the reversal. That may sound like a slap in the face but it is experience talking...I was once 10 feet tall and bulletproof and I confused youth for wisdom. Luckily I lived through it. You will receive advice from people speaking from experience throughout your life and if you are smart you will take it all!

All that said, sorry I touched a nerve and destroyed the forums by giving you unsolicited advice. Had I known how much life you have under your belt, I would have saved my joints the typing. I will know from now on that you require no advice or assistance and will not respond accordingly. Best of luck my friend.

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[The_Kat]

I will know from now on that you require no advice or assistance and will not respond accordingly. Best of luck my friend.

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I do think I'm pretty well balanced for an almost 24 year old. Most people my age are out drinking all night, living with mom n dad, got kids they can't afford, and can't keep a job.

I did all those things when I was 18-20ish. I am not a huge risk taker, nor am I an adrenaline junkie....but it's kinda cool I come off that way on here. Again, I will state that this thread was not about me taking offense to the motorcycle thread. I could care less what the RT.com forums overall opinion is....if I want it, I'm gonna get it. My point for the last time, was that I felt the bike thread was a good example of a MAJOR reason of the membership decline.

The clicks I see in here now days are the self righteous folks and the ones who have been here a long time and don't really give a crap anymore if they're a member or not, and a few newbies. The self righteous crowd thats out to hang someone ( the ones Jason spoke of ) are the ones who took the fun out for me.

Several of the people who've responded in this thread have sent me PM's complaining about the same thing.

I hate to see Realtree as the boring site that it has become. That is the main reason I even brought this thread to life. I joined when I was 15 as Young_Buck15 and have grown up on here. So I hate to see it become a slow, boring, unfriendly place.

[BowJoe]

I just have a little more opinion and then I'm done with this post. I fully think you need to resign as an Administrator on this forum. You don't care anymore about the forum or it's members and you have actually taken to cutting it down. Whether I contribute 2,000 posts a year or 2 posts a year, I wouldn't want somebody being an admin on my site with your attitude. It's just plain disrespectful. Hate me or tell me how wrong I am but I don't see the point in wasting any more time trying to get through your iron skull. You're right, it's not about the bike, it's about you acting like a child. 24 is very young and you are full of piss and vinegar when it comes to listening to anyone's advice but your own. I think attitude's like yours is what's ruining this once great site.

[The_Kat]

I just have a little more opinion and then I'm done with this post. I fully think you need to resign as an Administrator on this forum. You don't care anymore about the forum or it's members and you have actually taken to cutting it down. Whether I contribute 2,000 posts a year or 2 posts a year, I wouldn't want somebody being an admin on my site with your attitude. It's just plain disrespectful. Hate me or tell me how wrong I am but I don't see the point in wasting any more time trying to get through your iron skull. You're right, it's not about the bike, it's about you acting like a child. 24 is very young and you are full of piss and vinegar when it comes to listening to anyone's advice but your own. I think attitude's like yours is what's ruining this once great site.

Where am I acting like a child? I'm doing my best to have an adult conversation here. I also do not see an attitude, perhaps in the past, but not in this thread. Your more than welcome to contact the site administrator to have me removed as an admin.

[email protected]

[Dawg]

Where am I acting like a child? I'm doing my best to have an adult conversation here. I also do not see an attitude, perhaps in the past, but not in this thread. Your more than welcome to contact the site administrator to have me removed as an admin though... [email protected]

Fixed. You're welcome.

[Dawg]

I just have a little more opinion and then I'm done with this post. I fully think you need to resign as an Administrator on this forum. You don't care anymore about the forum or it's members and you have actually taken to cutting it down. Whether I contribute 2,000 posts a year or 2 posts a year, I wouldn't want somebody being an admin on my site with your attitude. It's just plain disrespectful. Hate me or tell me how wrong I am but I don't see the point in wasting any more time trying to get through your iron skull. You're right, it's not about the bike, it's about you acting like a child. 24 is very young and you are full of piss and vinegar when it comes to listening to anyone's advice but your own. I think attitude's like yours is what's ruining this once great site.

Everything about this reply is total BS.

[HUNTINGMAN]

I havent been around here realy long but concider everyone on here a friend I havent met. I dont judge people I havent met and take everything said with a grain of salt.Most people on here are grown up enough to make there own decisions and live there life the way they want,I woould never want anyone on hwere to get hurt in any way but who cares how people live there life.I do plenty of things that people on here wouldnt like or agree with but I dont realy care who likes it,thats just the way I have always been and I probably will never change.Why cant we all just get along and show the love man.Oh yea,I havent been on here much lately because I have been working 5 to 7 days a week,and I realy miss getting on here every day to see what all you great people are discussing.

[Newarcher]

Everything about this reply is total BS.

Well, not to continue a peeing match but I concur, Kat does a good job moderating.

I would imagine when I was 24 I was the same way. I didn't like advice very much and felt I could manage....that I respect. If I could go back, I would realize both what I know and what I don't know and listen when the old farts like me said something worthwhile.

But in any event, I think Kat is a fine moderator and should not quit. I won't give him any more advice that he will have to ignore and we can be friends again....I really don't have anything against him anyway.

So Kat, hang in there and listen more and I will pontificate less.

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[Ethan Givan]

I think everyone, and when I say everyone I mean absolutely everyone, needs to chill out. This has gotten out of hand and its not going to solve anything, in fact it is just going to make things worse. So im gonna suggest everyone take a breather and leave it alone for awhile. Everyone has opinions and that is fine, but you need to share them with discretion.

[popgun]

The clicks I see in here now days are the self righteous folks and the ones who have been here a long time and don't really give a crap anymore if they're a member or not, and a few newbies.

I joined when I was 15 as Young_Buck15 and have grown up on here. So I hate to see it become a slow, boring, unfriendly place.

Strange that you should mention that.

I think the people on here now are just as caring and and concerned about your welfare as they were back in the old days.

This thread made me think back to July 2004 when I tried to give a little friendly advice about underage drinking, and my comments were not very well received by, none other than Young_Buck15.

Then in September of 2004 the same young buck was worried that his life was over because he had made some explosive devices and left them in a neighbors yard as a prank. As I recall, there may have been a little drinking involved. Sometimes I'm not so sure that you have truly grown up in the realtree forums. You still balk at any friendly advice, even though it is free.

Someone said that if you want to brag about getting a new bike you should post it in a motorcycle forum and you wouldn't get any flack.

I happen to agree.

I have ridden motorcycles most of my life, and I will say only one thing about them. Sometime, one of them will drag your dingy in the dirt, and you had better be prepared for a major hurt.

You are young, and you can learn to do a lot of things from a wheel chair, but do you have the right to ask your wife to give up the life you could have had together because of your own selfishness?

Think....That's all we ask, and we ask you to think because we care.

Ultimately, it is your decision to make, and we will still be here to say,"There, there, everythings going to be alright, maybe we'll hold a raffle to raise money for your wife and kid."

....popgun