MonsterBuck48 Posted September 16, 2010 Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 so im sitting at work lookin at bows like usual and a guy i work with ask me how much does the hoyt i want cost for just the bow. so i give him the price. his response is im freakin stupid if id want to spend that much o a bow when i can buy one for around 200 and he tries to say a basic 200 dollar bow will shoot as good as a hoyt or matthews. so we get into a long argument why you get what you pay for matters when buying a bow and he says your just really buying the name, so of course i have soomething to say. i tell him when you do buy a hoyt or matthews yeah your buying the name but al lthat money your paying is worth it. and the argument continues, the guy doesnt even bow hunt, so i get into the design of the limbs, riser and cams, you know the whole 9yrds. and that when hunting with a bow you have to account for vibration, speed, product quality, quiteness. i can go on and on. now this argument went on for awhile, he keeps trying to justify himself to a me a person who is a passionate bow hunter. then we get into the argument how i should just buy a gun and not have to worry about all that in a bow. but its more than that but he doesnt see it, i try to explain to him the feeling of all the preparation and scent control and everything put into the hunt when hunting wiht a bow, all because you need to get close and personal with a deer and theres o feeling better than being at full draw on a dandy whitetail, buck or doe. trust me theres more to this argument. the last part is about how a deer with antlers should be shot because it has antlers no matter how big they are. i can go on and on but quite frankly im gettin a cramp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcot2773 Posted September 16, 2010 Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 wow... ignorance isnt always bliss... not you, the guy who's saying a $200 bow will do the same thing.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92xj Posted September 16, 2010 Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 My 200 dollar bare bow killed deer at 7, 18, 22,26,30,34, and 54 yards and groups 4 arrows at 2" groups around 68 yards. I didnt need a Hoyt or Matthews to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsterBuck48 Posted September 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 My 200 dollar bare bow killed deer at 7, 18, 22,26,30,34, and 54 yards and groups 4 arrows at 2" groups around 68 yards. I didnt need a Hoyt or Matthews to do that. well the argument wasnt about whether or not a bow will kill and group. he said that you can kill a deer still with a cheap bow, i did not deny that fact. the bow i have now is a 300 bear bow, but if you close you eyes and shoot a cheaper bow into thin air and shot say a hoyt or matthews, you can tell the difference in how smooth the draw is how solid the backwall is, then the shot, vibration, noise and how much the bow wants to junp forward. there is a difference with price on the quality. just a recap over what the argument was about. the difference is the quality of the bow not whether you can kill with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunter109 Posted September 17, 2010 Report Share Posted September 17, 2010 well you can kill a deer with cheap bows but now adays they dont make any parts for them etier but i go at least 400 to 500 on a non set up bow that is were you get most of your good bows at if not a little higher in money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kat Posted September 17, 2010 Report Share Posted September 17, 2010 Ya I know what your point was. It's obvious he is an unexperienced archer. The differences between the ways a cheapo bow shoots vs. a newer big name bow ( and even some of the newer brands ) is shocking. He is ignorant, and sounds to me like he just wanted to argue for the sake of arguing and pressing your buttons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsterBuck48 Posted September 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2010 Ya I know what your point was. It's obvious he is an unexperienced archer. The differences between the ways a cheapo bow shoots vs. a newer big name bow ( and even some of the newer brands ) is shocking. He is ignorant, and sounds to me like he just wanted to argue for the sake of arguing and pressing your buttons. most likely the case but you cant win an argument with someone who has a passion about the topic.i guess i should have painted him a picture:paint: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunter109 Posted September 17, 2010 Report Share Posted September 17, 2010 the guy needs to learn what a bow is before he trys to fight with someone on it well i thik he also needs to just stop because he dont know wht he is talking about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted September 17, 2010 Report Share Posted September 17, 2010 For guys like that that think they know but really don't know squat about the subject, you need to equate it to something they are familiar with. For example...would you rather drive around in a 1965 VW beatle with no AC in the summer or a fairly new comfortable vehicle with AC. Both will get you there. As for the gun situation all you have to say is...last time I checked guns weren't legal to hunt with during archery season. If you truly love deer hunting you want to take advantage of all the opportunities for extending your time in the woods . No need to try to explain to someone what the feeling is like to draw on a deer that doesn't want to understand anyway. As for the antler discussion...that's easy too. You're into quality and he's into quantity. If he wants to argue further just tell him "I understand you but you don't get it when it comes to understanding me". End of discussion...just cut him off! You can't argue with a know it all that doesn't know squat. That's my $ .02....X3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92xj Posted September 17, 2010 Report Share Posted September 17, 2010 sounds to me like he just wanted to argue for the sake of arguing and pressing your buttons. Nobody does that! You are wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunter109 Posted September 17, 2010 Report Share Posted September 17, 2010 yea i would say you are right rhino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsterBuck48 Posted September 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2010 on the antler discussion i could just tell him that size does matter.:hammer1: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunter109 Posted September 17, 2010 Report Share Posted September 17, 2010 yea man tell him that get him all fired up then you can play around with him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossyhorn Posted September 17, 2010 Report Share Posted September 17, 2010 Almost sounds like he hasnt done a lot of hunting really. I get the same stuff at work. Everyone told me I was crazy when I told them how much my z7 was. Then I explained that that was naked and they almost died. But it about the quality of a bow. Sure a $200 bow will kill my first few deer were taken with a PSE Nova. But it had no let off, the draw was less then smooth, and compared to what I am using know was loud and very jumpy. And of course you could get a gun. Heck for what a new bow goes for you can get 2. But its about the passion not just the kill and most people just dont get that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
layin on the smackdown Posted September 17, 2010 Report Share Posted September 17, 2010 Rhino hit it pretty good, but i'll add a few... #1) you are 100% correct about cheap bows having the ability to produce killing shots... #2) Cheap bows are a great way to get into the sport. #3) Alot of people will bawk at the price of a big brand name bow, but if you can afford it, you love it, and you shoot it well, then thats your decision, not someone elses. #4) you do get what you pay for in my opinion...any experienced archer can tell you that newer bows, especially high dollar bows, are much quieter, faster, have less vibration, and alot higher resale (or trade in)value than any other lower end bow.... Lastly, no one should even consider judging someone else regardless - especially on what he or she uses for equipment or anything else for that matter. I prefer my Mathews all day over my old PSE, but i can afford it, and its what i choose to do...Its MY choice, period. The same deal goes for antlers....If you are a hunter who likes to kill any buck, then good for you. I like to try and manage and let immature bucks walk (with the mistake from last year still haunting me). Some people like to fill tags and freezers with whatever they can get a crack at for a number of underlining circumstances - others choose to pass on deer left and right waiting for that hoss... Ultimately, your competition in this arguement is clearly ignorant, and has just about no justification for anything he says considering he is not a passionate archer/hunter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsterBuck48 Posted September 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2010 Almost sounds like he hasnt done a lot of hunting really. I get the same stuff at work. Everyone told me I was crazy when I told them how much my z7 was. Then I explained that that was naked and they almost died. But it about the quality of a bow. Sure a $200 bow will kill my first few deer were taken with a PSE Nova. But it had no let off, the draw was less then smooth, and compared to what I am using know was loud and very jumpy. And of course you could get a gun. Heck for what a new bow goes for you can get 2. But its about the passion not just the kill and most people just dont get that. exactly my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
layin on the smackdown Posted September 17, 2010 Report Share Posted September 17, 2010 My 200 dollar bare bow killed deer at 7, 18, 22,26,30,34, and 54 yards and groups 4 arrows at 2" groups around 68 yards. I didnt need a Hoyt or Matthews to do that. not doubting (well a little), but man would i love to see a video of you shooting groups of 2 inches at 68 yds with a $200 bow. Thats good, regardless of equipment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkneck Posted September 17, 2010 Report Share Posted September 17, 2010 (edited) not doubting (well a little), but man would i love to see a video of you shooting groups of 2 inches at 68 yds with a $200 bow. Thats good, regardless of equipment. Forget that, I wanna see Benji's 2" groups at 68 with a rifle, lol.... free-handed of course, I think he might could pull it off on a bench. Back to the original post, Monsterbuck, I think he just likes to push your buttons. I'm not even sure what a new $200 bow is. IF he's talking used bows, then I'll give him some credit. Plenty of bows in that price range that will perform pretty good. The last 300 bucks you'll pay on that new Hoyt only got you marginally more performance than a bow half it's price. But that's the way it goes, we don't double speed everytime the price doubles. Edited September 17, 2010 by redkneck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunter109 Posted September 17, 2010 Report Share Posted September 17, 2010 yea i got that when i was working the guysi worked with was just gun hunters so they did not know what they were talking about when it came to bows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swohiodave Posted September 19, 2010 Report Share Posted September 19, 2010 sometimes you are better off to just walk away......it's not worth the trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shockwave Posted September 19, 2010 Report Share Posted September 19, 2010 A bow is only as good as the person behind it.....Practice, practice, and more practice..Then you have to be able to keep your nerves in check..$200 or $1000 no matter how much you spend, again the bow is as only as good as the person behind it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsterBuck48 Posted September 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2010 ive shot quite a few different bows and there is in deed a difference in the way they shoot, the person really doesnt have alot to with it. again im not talkin how well a person can shoot a bow. im tlkin abou tthe bow itself. take everyhting out of the shot and pay attention to how the bow reacts. how smooth the draw is, the valley before the wall, how bad does the jump, vibration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunter109 Posted September 20, 2010 Report Share Posted September 20, 2010 yea i know what you mean man and it dose make a diffrents in thoughs areas well latter man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coondog Posted September 20, 2010 Report Share Posted September 20, 2010 Well placed shot and sharp broadhead kills the deer not the name on the bow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92xj Posted September 20, 2010 Report Share Posted September 20, 2010 (edited) So what are the thoughts on the new Mathews? Edited September 20, 2010 by 92xj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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