Could you pass this one up?

[Jorden]

Yup definately a good pass. Looking at all his pics, he definately not a mature buck

[wtnhunt]

I see so many people saying they wouldn't pass and how lucky you are but what most don't realize is YOU ALL HAVE DEER THAT BIG where you are hunting. You just don't know they are there!(yes I mean everyone too regardless of your state) Trail cams, that are placed correctly, do wonders for keeping track of deer.

LMBOROF, that is a hoot, I'm telling you I have spent the last 34 years in Penn. hunting, now I'm not talking a hobbie, we are talking on average 60 days in the field and I've seen 2 bucks better than that in my life one was dead. Careful how you classify hunting to those who don't have the opertunities you do. I'm betting your not comint to pa. to trophy hunt anytime soon. You see at a young age I learned that where you hunt is more important than how you hunt. we manage 1,000 acres here in pa with food plots and QDM but you don't hold deer on that here. You need to judge the deer of your area, heck that would be like going to the ranch in S. East montana and waiting for a 30 inch Mule deer.you can wait, but in 15 years one has not come off the ranch. I shot a 8 1/2 yr old buck in montana that score 136 he just needed more feed to be a little better, but I'm not about to pass on him to shoot a 170 inch buck when there hasn't been one like that on the ranch in 15 years.

jbeck-I'm sorry but your flat wrong here. Yes it's important where you hunt, but just as important is HOW. Go hunt anywhere with a bow and smoke cigarettes in your blind and don't sit still and your not killing a yearling! If you manage 1000 acres in PA something is very wrong it your not generating deer like that and HOLDING them on your property(I.E. not enough food, bedding, sanctuary, too much hunting pressure, etc.) I know plenty of people that have hunted all their lives and hunted hard and never killed a big deer, but I can also say that is a self imposed problem in most cases.

All I'm saying is that every state has deer like that and EVERY property has a mature deer that calls that his home area. Just because you don't see him doesn't mean he isn't there........

Interesting discussion, can kind of see this on both sides. To grow big deer you do have to have the key elements and some places in this country simply just do not have those key elements. You have parts of the country where there is poor genetics and poor soil conditions and you probably would not expect to see mature bucks in those places that are gonna be 150 class or better deer. We have often thought that if we could gain exclusive rights to the 400 acre farm behind us and stop the excessive poaching around us that we could get better age class on the deer here and possibly see some deer make it to the 160's or better. With 1000 acres here managed right a person could have some deer that dreams are made of. No doubt in my mind that this area has the potential with river bottoms and ag crops to grow good deer, only problem is that it is rare we get buck that makes it past 2.5. We have 3 farms bordering ours on the back side alone and with that comes several hunters of which unfortunately most cannot control themselves enough not to continue with the "brown its down mentality". From what I have read deer typically have a core area of a square mile in most parts of the country, that goes out the window during the rut when bucks will travel considerable distances, but if you have enough does of different ages around there is a good chance your dominant buck may not wander quite as far and may hang tighter to that core area.

That said, I tend to think it is pretty unrealistic to hold out hopes that you are gonna see a booner in a place where there are more hunters per sq mile than there are deer. Deer just do not get to the point that they get to the age class they need to get to. Here there is a chance you may see a 3.5 year old if you are patient enough and can get yourself in the right place at the right time, a 3.5 year old here has seen so much pressure by the time he is at that age that in all likelihood he is gonna be nocturnal. Seeing a deer past 3.5 is pretty unlikely, not too many that make it past 2.5.

[Grady269]

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[Dawg]

I'd still kill him.

Or attempt to anyways.