Griz Posted November 1, 2010 Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 (edited) Here's the story... The Buck traveled about 100/150 yards and went over on a jointing land owner... By the time I went to where I shot him at and walked to where he went it was dark... So I had to break out the flashlight... The last time I saw the Buck with a flashlight he wasn't 10 yards from me standing there. I can tell he was hurt bad when I saw him walk off real slow... So I backed out and thought I would let him lay and recover him in the morning... Right thing to do...Right... Well this morning I gathered up some folks to help me out. But first before I go and step over a fence onto some else's land I wanted to get permission and keep it all legal... When I went to the land owners place and told him what happened I asked if it would be alright for us to go in and try and recover the Buck that I shot Sat. evening.. He got in my face and Blew up at me and said that He Did Not Want Anybody On His Land Period... Wrong thing to do to me... I tried to explan to him and he wouldn't here of it and it was just getting worse at this time... A buddy of mine started pushing me back at this time cause he saw I was ready to deck the idiot... Anyway...That just floored me... So I thought I'll fix his wagon... So at this time I called the Game Warden and the Sheriff to come out... Which by the way are super good friends of mine... Well as it stands and for what they both told me. As long as the land owner says No, there is nothing They or I can do other then let the Buck lay and go to waste... Can you believe this... As a Hunter I thought we were allowed to recover our animal if it went onto someone else's property and if by some chance there was a conflict with a landowner the Game Warden would help you out so you can recover your animal... Man was I dead wrong on that... So anyway I am so sick about this that it isn't even funny... Man he was a Big ole boy... I told that Sheriff buddy of mine that the way this idiot was acting I thought maybe he was doing something illegal over there... I mean it was pretty crazy around here all day today... He told me that he was going to do some investigating on him and give him a visit a time or two... Here you Hunt hard everyday and have crap like this happen to you... Just makes me sick man that I can't go and recover my Buck that I shot...Crazy!!! I always said...What Comes Around...Goes Around... Griz... Edited November 1, 2010 by Griz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SourthenILdeerhunter Posted November 1, 2010 Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 sorry to hear that griz thats the way it is in IL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowtech_archer07 Posted November 1, 2010 Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 Here in IL, if a deer goes on someone else's property and the landowner won't let you go on it and you have evidence that you shot the deer... like a blood trail, the game warden will escort onto the property so you can recover the deer but you can't take any weapons with you. Sorry to hear about that griz.. hopefully that guy gets paid back for what he did to you. That is horrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted November 1, 2010 Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 (edited) Sorry to hear that Griz. It's a cryin shame. Our law states '"You "MUST" make all "REASONABLE" Effort to retrieve your game"". In a case like yours where it is no longer reasonable to ask for this kind of permission, it would be more reasonable to leave your weapon at the fence-line, go in, get your deer and get out. The worse thing they can charge you with is trespassing, not hunting on private property and under the law, (the way it is worded) you would have a good case to argue in court. Edited November 1, 2010 by buckee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruttinbuc Posted November 1, 2010 Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 It is the same way here, Dale. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but it is what it is. I have been through the same thing. Some people will help you get the deer while others just want to be a hard nose! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griz Posted November 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 I had a Blood Trail that I showed the Sheriff and the Game Warden. But still there wasn't anything they could do... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerforged Posted November 1, 2010 Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 That is just plain WRONG! I take it this guy is a card carrying member of PETA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griz Posted November 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 That is just plain WRONG! I take it this guy is a card carrying member of PETA. I wouldn't put it pass him... I can say this though... He's going to get to no me real good before all this is over...:angry: Griz... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerClay Posted November 1, 2010 Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 (edited) Here in IL, if a deer goes on someone else's property and the landowner won't let you go on it and you have evidence that you shot the deer... like a blood trail, the game warden will escort onto the property so you can recover the deer but you can't take any weapons with you. Sorry to hear about that griz.. hopefully that guy gets paid back for what he did to you. That is horrible. Same here in NY. I would go after dark with a flashlight and get that deer. In fact its probably still dark where you are. Go right now while he is still in bed. Edited November 1, 2010 by RangerClay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted November 1, 2010 Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 Man that is a shame Dale. Law here is the same way unfortunately. Game warden was even asked that question at the hunter safety ed course I took my oldest daughter to and he said if the landowner says no then they cannot even retrieve your animal for you. Always thought so long as you left your weapon behind it was all good, but according to the laws that is not the case, it puts you in the position of being a trespasser. Rules on posted land however make it so that the responsibility falls back on the landowner to have their land posted if they wish not to allow anyone on, if the land is not properly posted(by the book) then there are loopholes whereby a person could retrieve their deer and not face any fines. We have always had permission to go after our animals on two of the properties bordering ours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted November 1, 2010 Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 your neighbor is clearly wrong on the issue of letting you get the deer, but he's also within his rights as a land owner. i support his legal right to allow or deny access to anyone he wants. it's his property. sure, he's a jerk but it is still his land. that said, i'd put on camo and go get the deer in daylight. to heck with him. let him try to get you for trespassing. and boy, i don't think i want to get on your bad side.... lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bowhunter56 Posted November 1, 2010 Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 Sorry to read your story Dale, that really stinks, I don't know what's wrong with some people, but regardless, don't get your self in trouble it's not worth it. His day will come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kid Posted November 1, 2010 Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 :ninja: Time to go black ninja on this guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted November 1, 2010 Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 Think I would ask the warden what the regs are in regards to posting land there Dale. If for no other reason than for you to know. If by chance it is like it is here, the wildlife folks most often will not even come out on possible tresspassing issues unless the owner of the property has it well posted in accordance to the regs, they will ask you that when you call in. On the flipside of this as a landowner, it does get a bit frustrating when you catch someone in the wrong and you cannot prosecute them because the way the rules are, the signage requirements here are about impossible to maintain. Here you are supposed to have a landowners written permission on you when hunting on that persons private land, warden can ticket you if he catches you without it, however the land still has to be properly posted in order for a landowner to prosecute someone and that in mind the law really is not on the landowners side. Situation almost would make you wonder if this guy did not recover the deer himself and claim it as his. Yes, there are scumbags out there that will do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
student Posted November 1, 2010 Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 You'd think they could charge the land owner with Wanton Waste. If you shot the deer and let it rot on your property, they'd charge you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newarcher Posted November 1, 2010 Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 Same thing happened to me....shot a doe Saturday morning and she went over the fence from our Church lot to the neighbor's property. The neighbor next door has animals and he lets his goats out to graze our playground and they have pooped all over everything including our front walkways, etc. He also complains that our water goes onto his property....hoss your land is 40-80 feet or more below the roadbed and the land slopes heavily towards yours....figure that he expects gravity to cease to exist on his property. So anyway, I saw his wife out and she said I could then he came along and overruled her and their son who was trying to help me. Nothing I could do really. The thing is that he has goats and other animals (peacocks, etc.) and she's just going to attract yotes to feed on their animals. New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griz Posted November 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 I see what yall are sayin' about going after the Buck. But here's the deal... Before there wasn't a sign one up anywhere until now...Yeah this jerk head went out I guess lastnight and bought some signs and now has them up... Plus his House isn't 500/600 yards away were this Buck is at. Which in my book I might get away by slipping in and getting the Buck... WRONG!!! Oh trust me...I have thought about it long and hard... And to add to what this idiot is doing he is sitting in his car over looking the field and driving around every now and then...As of now... I saw this morning that the Buzzards are already on him...Makes me Sick!!! But on a good note...My buddy the Sheriff is going to be out here today sometime and have a long talk with this guy... Like I said...What Comes Around Goes Around... Trust me...I'm going to stay on the legal side of things here... Last thing I want is a big ole fine or a trip to jail over this... Griz... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huntinsonovagun Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 Wow griz....you have great luck (and skill) at shooting big bucks, but not the best at getting them! I remember you had another big one stolen before you could get to it. Hope it turns out for the best. Next time you know to just go get him without asking permission. I really hope it works out in your favor.:no: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun_300 Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 Man sorry to hear about that Dale, makes me sick just thinking about it. Not much you can do about it either, that's the hard part. You did everything you could though! Not much else you can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kat Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 In Oklahoma you can be shot for trespassing. Especially after you were warned to not enter the property. Not worth a criminal record, or getting shot. Sorry he is a shmuck...but your going about it correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosierhunter Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 Sorry about that Dale. Your better than me because my rear end would have went over there even after hearing no to find that deer. I figure a ticket for trespassing in that situation would be justified......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterwebb Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 :pop:that meat-head would need to invest in some fixaflat stock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan Givan Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 After he told me that I could not retrieve my deer, I would have said ok, and walked away. Then a while later the deer would have magically disappeared off his property and found itself hanging in my garage. If it were me, and I shot another deer that made it onto this idiots land, then I would retrieve it without asking. Some people would frown upon that but I dont really care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griz Posted November 2, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 Well folks like I said there isn't anything I can do other then let it rest and go over there later and get the horns... Believe me...I would rather hop the fence and say the heck with this guy and go get him... But I am not and will not do it...Getting shot by this wacko and hauled off to jail just isn't worth it in my book... Besides...I am the better man and I will win this whole ordeal one way or the other... You can beat your boots on that... Griz... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierDaddy28 Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 Griz, you have the right attitude about it. Guys, I do have a difficult time with the people who say they would just jump the fence and go after the deer. Especially with all the posts regarding people trespassing on their hunting property and how no one respects fences anymore. Regardless of the situation with the deer (which if it had been hit better, it would not have jumped a fence) I don't see a situation where you just trespass. Does that mean I condone the actions of the landowner, no I don't. At the end of the day though it makes you just a bad a person as the guy who sneaks on to YOUR property to try to take a deer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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