Guest bowhunter56 Posted November 7, 2010 Report Share Posted November 7, 2010 http://www.huntingpa.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1963164&nt=2&fpart=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Shooter Posted November 7, 2010 Report Share Posted November 7, 2010 Sounds more like a sudden pressure issue with him sliding down the tree and coming to an abrupt stop. I don't think itss a failure onSummits part, also we don't know how much this guy weighs and what weights he was at when using the stand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruttinbuc Posted November 7, 2010 Report Share Posted November 7, 2010 not the first time I saw pictures such as these with Summit stands. A;ways a good idea to realize the limits and to check your stand every time you put it to a tree.- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldridgem1 Posted November 7, 2010 Report Share Posted November 7, 2010 Yea im not for sure. It had to be the pressure and his weight combined that caused it to do that. I have a summit(open ss) myself and it seems to be strong enough to hold just about anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Shooter Posted November 7, 2010 Report Share Posted November 7, 2010 I weigh 225 and most stand are rated for 250, so I try to be mindful of what I carry in my back pack when using it. I do have a Summit but no worries there, I bought the Titan and that joker is huge and I believe rated at 300 or 350 pounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92xj Posted November 7, 2010 Report Share Posted November 7, 2010 Thats crap. It's not the summit stand that is the problem. Its the fact that he dropped 6 feet at 224 lbs and came to a sudden stop as the stand grabbed the tree. With this guy weighing 224, the average person falls at 100m per sec. I will say 75 for this equation. So, his force at impact (stopping point as stand grabbed tree) is 6968.0497005465 newton which is 1566.4798869771 pound force, way over the limit of the stand. For those that say that measurement is to fast, lets say he fell at 25m per sec. Thats still 522.15996232569 pound force. So, dude should not be putting up BS about his summit stand failing, without doing his calculations and without climbing the stand correctly. Things like this are stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan Givan Posted November 8, 2010 Report Share Posted November 8, 2010 Thats crap. It's not the summit stand that is the problem. Its the fact that he dropped 6 feet at 224 lbs and came to a sudden stop as the stand grabbed the tree. With this guy weighing 224, the average person falls at 100m per sec. I will say 75 for this equation. So, his force at impact (stopping point as stand grabbed tree) is 6968.0497005465 newton which is 1566.4798869771 pound force, way over the limit of the stand. For those that say that measurement is to fast, lets say he fell at 25m per sec. Thats still 522.15996232569 pound force. So, dude should not be putting up BS about his summit stand failing, without doing his calculations and without climbing the stand correctly. Things like this are stupid. Nice :boxing: I trust my summit. No worries here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted November 8, 2010 Report Share Posted November 8, 2010 Ohiobucks had a Summit fold on him one day. I'll let him tell you the story. I should probably replace mine soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosierhunter Posted November 8, 2010 Report Share Posted November 8, 2010 Thats crap. It's not the summit stand that is the problem. Its the fact that he dropped 6 feet at 224 lbs and came to a sudden stop as the stand grabbed the tree. With this guy weighing 224, the average person falls at 100m per sec. I will say 75 for this equation. So, his force at impact (stopping point as stand grabbed tree) is 6968.0497005465 newton which is 1566.4798869771 pound force, way over the limit of the stand. For those that say that measurement is to fast, lets say he fell at 25m per sec. Thats still 522.15996232569 pound force. So, dude should not be putting up BS about his summit stand failing, without doing his calculations and without climbing the stand correctly. Things like this are stupid. I completely disagree. I would never expect a stand to fail in that way. I've used a climber for close to 8 years and believe me no matter how correctly you think your using the stand IT WILL SLIP! 100%proof positive you will slip with it. It's just a matter of how far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92xj Posted November 8, 2010 Report Share Posted November 8, 2010 I completely disagree. I would never expect a stand to fail in that way. I've used a climber for close to 8 years and believe me no matter how correctly you think your using the stand IT WILL SLIP! 100%proof positive you will slip with it. It's just a matter of how far. What are you completely disagreeing about? The fact that the stand took a shock load of 500-1600 lbs? Yeah, everyone will slip some with a climber. I thing the most I have ever had was climbing a pine and the bark gave way and I slipped maybe 8 inches max. Luckily I was not stupid enough to have my teather to my foot stand 6 feet long like the guy that posted and was able to just stand up. I have never had the foot section slip. Heck, I bet if the stand was made out of the same thickness steel, it would have bent or ovaled the hole and ripped some. Under normal climbing conditions, the guy should never not be touching the lower or upper section. Maybe I am reading his story wrong, but it sure seems like he feel 6 feet with no resistance until it grabbed the tree and came to a sudden stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohiobucks Posted November 8, 2010 Report Share Posted November 8, 2010 Thats crap. It's not the summit stand that is the problem. Its the fact that he dropped 6 feet at 224 lbs and came to a sudden stop as the stand grabbed the tree. With this guy weighing 224, the average person falls at 100m per sec. I will say 75 for this equation. So, his force at impact (stopping point as stand grabbed tree) is 6968.0497005465 newton which is 1566.4798869771 pound force, way over the limit of the stand. For those that say that measurement is to fast, lets say he fell at 25m per sec. Thats still 522.15996232569 pound force. So, dude should not be putting up BS about his summit stand failing, without doing his calculations and without climbing the stand correctly. Things like this are stupid. What are you completely disagreeing about? The fact that the stand took a shock load of 500-1600 lbs? Yeah, everyone will slip some with a climber. I thing the most I have ever had was climbing a pine and the bark gave way and I slipped maybe 8 inches max. Luckily I was not stupid enough to have my teather to my foot stand 6 feet long like the guy that posted and was able to just stand up. I have never had the foot section slip. Heck, I bet if the stand was made out of the same thickness steel, it would have bent or ovaled the hole and ripped some. Under normal climbing conditions, the guy should never not be touching the lower or upper section. Maybe I am reading his story wrong, but it sure seems like he feel 6 feet with no resistance until it grabbed the tree and came to a sudden stop. You Summits lawyer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92xj Posted November 8, 2010 Report Share Posted November 8, 2010 (edited) You Summits lawyer? Nope, not at all. I just understand the properties of metal, the forces they can withstand and how they react in certain situations. I would be saying the same thing about any stand company in question. I could care less about names of products. Edited November 8, 2010 by 92xj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92xj Posted November 8, 2010 Report Share Posted November 8, 2010 It really just blows my mind that people try to find fault in everything else but their own actions. Not a single stand out there is made to be dropped 6 full feet and catch a 225 lbs man. He did something wrong. Man up and admit your fault. If I drop my gun 2 feet and it hits the ground scope first. I then shoot it and its off. I dont call out the base, rings, or scope manufacturer. I kick myself, saying I did something dumb. It's my fault, I take the blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92xj Posted November 8, 2010 Report Share Posted November 8, 2010 SInce I cant edit old post, I will apologize now and say I was wrong about the drop the guy took. It was 5 feet, not 6. I was wrong. It does change the numbers up some, but still no where close to Summit's specs. I stand by my numbers and knowledge of metal. I do not stand by my reading comprehension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosierhunter Posted November 8, 2010 Report Share Posted November 8, 2010 I'm the same as you and have only slipped about 6-12 inches and that scared that living daylights out of me. Combine a slick bark tree and a knot in the tree and that's the makings of a accident. Also he only said he couldn't believe the tubing broke, not much else really. Also it sounds like he feet fell out of the stirups and he dropped the bottom. I have actually done that before I had the two tied together and that SOB when down about 8 feet before it caught. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92xj Posted November 8, 2010 Report Share Posted November 8, 2010 I'm the same as you and have only slipped about 6-12 inches and that scared that living daylights out of me. Combine a slick bark tree and a knot in the tree and that's the makings of a accident. Also he only said he couldn't believe the tubing broke, not much else really. Also it sounds like he feet fell out of the stirups and he dropped the bottom. I have actually done that before I had the two tied together and that SOB when down about 8 feet before it caught. Dang right, that 6-12" drop will scare the crap out of you. I know it got my heart racing pretty dang good. As far as the tubing, I am not sure why he is surprised about it. The amount of force was insanely great. Apparently more than the tensile strength of the aluminum with a hole drilled in it. One thing he should be really thankful for, is that summit used a double shear on their bolts and a decent bolt that bent and did not shear off. As far as having the upper and lower tied together. I dont have them any longer than I can reach while nearly standing but my butt still sitting/touching the bar. If that lower falls, I dont want to have to use my upper body strength to hold myself, lower myself, hold myself while I'm trying to get my feet around the platform and then pick myself back up. I want a little weight to be held by my butt. I also tie the top end of the tether high on the stand so I can reach it while sitting on the bar, that way I dont have to use my feet for really anything but leveling the platform out when I reel it up by hand to get it clamped on the tree. It might make for short up and down motions but I would rather take 10 more moves to get up or down the same distance and not have to worry about my foot platform falling a great distance and not being able to retreive it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DropTine49 Posted November 8, 2010 Report Share Posted November 8, 2010 What stand was he using? I use the Viper SS and it's built nothing like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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