The Bug House Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 The Nine Principles of American Civic life America is a country of ideas. Those ideas are and must be based on reason, so that men and women of all faiths and philosophies can adhere to them equally. The fundamental idea of America is freedom, which means the abolishment of physical force from civic life. Individual rights are the recognition of personal self-ownership. They ensure our freedoms. They include the Right to Life which means the right to exist without threat of destruction; the Right to Liberty which means the right to exist without physical coercion; the Right to Property which means the right to create, earn, own, use and trade property; the Right to Pursue Happiness which means the right to take action in service to one's own life. These rights are unalienable and belong to all individuals. No collective or group possesses more or different rights beyond the individual rights of its members. Rights are freedoms of action, not coercive claims on the property or services of others. No man may violate the rights of another by force. Our government was founded to be the defender of man's legitimate rights, so that force may be used only against those who initiate force or fraud against others, that it may be controlled by objective law. This is the justification of our military, courts, and police forces. A government that initiates force or fraud against its citizens is illegitimate; it is the prerogative of the people to alter or abolish such a government. The Twelve Virtues of American Civic Life Rationality Independence Honesty Integrity Justice Productiveness Pride Self-governance Voluntary cooperation Benevolence Mutual respect Recognition of individual sovereignty http://www.principledpatriots.us/ Figured I'd put this up for those of you who think I'm a liberal who's ideas are ruining this country. This quite accurately reflects the foundation of Libertarianism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Bug House Posted November 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2010 (edited) > You don't agree with my OP? Let me see if I understand your point, John Adams prayed, and was apparently a Christian so therefore the US was founded as a Christian nation? Edited November 27, 2010 by wtnhunt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted November 26, 2010 Report Share Posted November 26, 2010 Thr Truth SIR is that the U.S. constitution WAS and IS founded by the Bible; and NO I do not agree with your Liberal Atheistic Veiws Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted November 27, 2010 Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 Let me see if I understand your point, John Adams prayed, and was apparently a Christian so therefore the US was founded as a Christian nation? The founding fathers of this country were all practicing Christians, they did believe in God and the bible and it is clear there was influence in their writing with that basis in mind. Do you deny the faith of the men who wrote those documents? Since from prior past postings it is apparent that you like to play on the ideas of "facts" what facts do you have to support anything to the contrary? A person could twist it however they like I suppose. My opinion fwiw is that this country was indeed founded as a Christian nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bug House Posted November 27, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 Thr Truth SIR is that the U.S. constitution WAS and IS founded by the Bible; and NO I do not agree with your Liberal Atheistic Veiws As I have previously posted several times, I am not a Liberal. The fact that I am an Atheist does in no way even imply that I am a Liberal. This is the exact kind of uninformed rhetoric that is polarizing OUR country to the point of extremism and hatred. If you cannot agree with the "Patriots Credo" in my OP of this thread, my only option would be to question your loyalty to America. The founding fathers of this country were all practicing Christians, they did believe in God and the bible and it is clear there was influence in their writing with that basis in mind. Do you deny the faith of the men who wrote those documents? Since from prior past postings it is apparent that you like to play on the ideas of "facts" what facts do you have to support anything to the contrary? A person could twist it however they like I suppose. My opinion fwiw is that this country was indeed founded as a Christian nation. Non of the founding fathers were Atheists, I would never make that claim, and some of them were Christians no doubt. All of them were deists of some form, but they did not heed what was written in the bible. I'm of the opinion that if they did, there would not have been a revolution at all. "Rebellion as is the sin of witchcraft" Samuel 15:12 "whoever resists authority resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgement" Romans 13:1 As always, whether I agree with your opinion or not I respect your right to have one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bug House Posted November 27, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 (edited) ....................what facts do you have to support anything to the contrary?............. "In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot ... they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer engine for their purpose." - Thomas Jefferson, March 17, 1814 "I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature." - Thomas Jefferson Religion, as well as reason, confirms the soundness of those principles on which our government has been founded and its rights asserted. – Thomas Jefferson to P. H. Wendover, (1815) This is a link to a fundamentalist Christian website where the author expresses grief that Jefferson was not a Christian. http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/thomas_jefferson.htm "Lighthouses are more helpful than churches." -Benjamin Franklin "When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself so that its professors are obliged to call for the help of the civil power, 'tis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one." -Benjamin Franklin Franklin was indeed a deist, but most likely not a Christian I'm sure someone will post how these quotes are "taken out of context" or the like. Edited November 27, 2010 by The Bug House Cleanup / Spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted November 27, 2010 Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 Thr Truth SIR is that the U.S. constitution WAS and IS founded by the Bible; and NO I do not agree with your Liberal Atheistic Veiws yep. i agree. and since we are free to worship as we please you are free to not worship, worship the devil, or do whatever you want. you are even free to try to dissuade me from my love of my lord. but you'll fail as miserably as all the others who've tried. enjoy your liberalism, athiasm, and any other ism's you care about, as you're still free to do so thanks to our troops and the voters of this great country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bug House Posted November 27, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 (edited) yep. i agree. and since we are free to worship as we please you are free to not worship, worship the devil, or do whatever you want. you are even free to try to dissuade me from my love of my lord. but you'll fail as miserably as all the others who've tried. enjoy your liberalism, athiasm, and any other ism's you care about, as you're still free to do so thanks to our troops and the voters of this great country. Also spoken like a true Patriot. Agree with everything except: I AM NOT A LIBERAL!!!!!!:bang: And I would never try to stop anyone from practicing whatever belief system they chose to, nor do I understand those who do. Edited November 27, 2010 by The Bug House Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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