The US was undoubtedly founded as a secular nation...

[The_Kat]

Your last name isn't fridley is it?

[The Bug House]

Your last name isn't fridley is it?

huh?

[Dawg]

Your last name isn't fridley is it?

I thought you hit the ignore button?

[The_Kat]

Mods don't have the ignore feature regis.

Mr bug reminds me of an arrogant college professor I had named William fridley. The guy spoke alot like mr bug, and was later fired for getting on his knees and barking at his students like a dog.

He was also another great example of what is wrong with this country much like mr bug.

[The Bug House]

Mods don't have the ignore feature regis.

Mr bug reminds me of an arrogant college professor I had named William fridley. The guy spoke alot like mr bug, and was later fired for getting on his knees and barking at his students like a dog.

He was also another great example of what is wrong with this country much like mr bug.

Nope not me.

Something tells me that anyone that doesn't fall in line with your very narrow minded and intolerant point of view gets your arrogant stamp of disapproval. Your posts remind me of an arrogant German Chancellor who's penchant for "nationalism" resulted in the murder of millions of people and launched WWII.

MARK MY WORDS:

When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a Bible.

Socialism and Fascism are dangerous and insecure.

Edited November 27, 2010 by The Bug House

[Dawg]

OK, I'm back in momentarily.

MARK MY WORDS:

When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a Bible.

You are hilarious, but then again if that statement was to be referenced with what the book of Revelation says about the end times and the one world religion that will come into place........you could be right. Of course it will have nothing in common with Christianity today besides bearing the "religion" name.

[lilmisswtnhunt]

I do take issue with being labeled as a braggart. Perhaps it was silly to cite my self-professed accomplishment, but no more silly that many other posts here. I've made my motivation evident in many previous posts.

i assure you that there is no need to brag. some silly papers are no reflection of one's true ability to think

Hilarious indeed! I spelt (haha!) something incorrectly! My sausage-like fingers and the "auto correct" feature on my iPOD are often at odds. You'll be comforted to know I've disabled it. However, your (haha!) absolutely write (haha!) I made a mistake and should half (haha!) been more diligent. I sometimes feel like pointing out some of the grammatical atrocities made by some posters, but what does that accomplish?

if you choose to argue with me, i will correct you. thats half the fun of a debate. dont be a sore loser about it :toot:

So you feel that the same word may have different meanings to different people? I am curious about your definition though, some of my friends seem to think that if your wear flannal, boots and jeans and have a long beard you qualify.

i have to have a beard to be a redneck? no.

a redneck is someone who is down to earth. someone true to themself. someone who isnt afraid to get their hands dirty and have a little fun

The words "the United States of America was founded on Christian beliefs" have quite a different meaning that the words "The United States was founded as a Christian Nation". I believe that the U.S. was founded on the principles of reason and common sense, which has some commonalities with some Christian beliefs. The founding fathers were very clear in in thier desire to keep the goverment secular.

they were clear in their desire to not force the people to go to a certain church and be required to pay tithe or die

I appreciate the positive sentiment, it comes from a good place. A good person wishes good unto others. I hope your beliefs bring you happiness and success. I'm going to need some proof (real proof) before I convert however.

:shifty:

listen:

how much proof do you need?

do you really think this amazing place is just an accident?

Back to your three questions, I itemized and responded. Care to do the same and counter?

read:

http://www.adherents.com/gov/Founding_Fathers_Religion.html

i think you'll find it very interesting

Something tells me that anyone that doesn't fall in line with your very narrow minded and intolerant point of view gets your arrogant stamp of disapproval. Your posts remind me of an arrogant German Chancellor who's penchant for "nationalism" resulted in the murder of millions of people and launched WWII.

MARK MY WORDS:

When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a Bible.

Socialism and Fascism are dangerous and insecure.

personally i agree with Kat and i assure you that neither of us would kill millions simply because they were different from us. when someone insults us or our beliefs, or tries to take our freedom is when there becomes a problem

socialism is in the white house now. wrapped in expensive suits and carrying a Qua'ran.

[The Bug House]

i assure you that there is no need to brag. some silly papers are no reflection of one's true ability to think

if you choose to argue with me, i will correct you. thats half the fun of a debate. dont be a sore loser about it :toot:.

I'm glad we see this in the same light!

i have to have a beard to be a redneck? no.

a redneck is someone who is down to earth. someone true to themself. someone who isnt afraid to get their hands dirty and have a little fun

they were clear in their desire to not force the people to go to a certain church and be required to pay tithe or die.

Again...we seem to agree on this also!!! Like I said, some of my friends think otherwise (they like to poke fun at me!)

Apparently I am a genuine Redneck by your definition.......I've even got mud on my 4wheeler to prove it! Isn't it incredible how that word was originated as a derogatory term...and is now a label worn with pride?

You got me again! Should I re-enable the auto correct? This keyboard is so tiny....but I'll except full responsibility and try harder. Something tells me your attention to detail will benefit you someday!

listen:

how much proof do you need?

do you really think this amazing place is just an accident?

read:

http://www.adherents.com/gov/Founding_Fathers_Religion.html

i think you'll find it very interesting.

I don't have the time at the moment to read your links, but I certainly will after my hockey game.

I need absolute proof. This is an amazing place indeed....not by accident, but quite possibly by an amazing set of coincidences.

personally i agree with Kat and i assure you that neither of us would kill millions simply because they were different from us. when someone insults us or our beliefs, or tries to take our freedom is when there becomes a problem.

OK....so by having a different set of beliefs I insult yours? I bet many Islamists feel the same. I don't think either of you would actually take such a horrific action, I do feel the The Kats previous posts suggest a sense of thought that did exist in someone who did indeed take such actions.

socialism is in the white house now. wrapped in expensive suits and carrying a Qua'ran.

While I do feel that the current administration is trying to instate some sort of "new brand" of Socialism, (Maybe we can call it Socialism Lite...LOL!) and it needs to be curtailed to say the least, it is a far cry from historic Socialistic visions. Do you know the difference between Socialism and Fascism? Do you think they both are just as destructive and dangerous as each other?

One more thing.....Why no response to mine regarding your 3 questions?

Edited November 27, 2010 by The Bug House
Spelling......I'm trying!

[lilmisswtnhunt]

this disscussion has gone far beyond any reason to continue.

twisting my words to fit what you believe is right is pointless. mud on your 4wheeler has nothing to do with being a redneck.

i know exactly what socialism is and that is what our country is coming to. the goverment is taking away our rights. giving away welfare checks to those who dont work. theyre trying to make us all the same.

did i say your beliefs insulted mine?

no i did not.

what i meant by that was when someone with an arrogant attitude tells me that what i believe is not real, i get offended.

i could spend forever trying to prove to you that God is very real and He created this place.

do a little research and you'll see how and why this country was founded.

God bless you

im done here

[The Bug House]

this disscussion has gone far beyond any reason to continue.

twisting my words to fit what you believe is right is pointless. mud on your 4wheeler has nothing to do with being a redneck.

i know exactly what socialism is and that is what our country is coming to. the goverment is taking away our rights. giving away welfare checks to those who dont work. theyre trying to make us all the same.

did i say your beliefs insulted mine?

no i did not.

what i meant by that was when someone with an arrogant attitude tells me that what i believe is not real, i get offended.

i could spend forever trying to prove to you that God is very real and He created this place.

do a little research and you'll see how and why this country was founded.

God bless you

im done here

Ok, no sweat......I never for a moment thought I was going (or wanted) to change your mind about your own beliefs.

Not twisting words...just revealing a different perspective. The world is a complicated place.

[The_Kat]

I'm arrogant??? That statement coming from the guy who boasts about a masters degree and possibly attaining a Phd as if it made your right in the discussion simply due to your educational achievements.

You are correct I am strong in my views and am especially strong and disapproving of Muslims, and any other people who want to try and destroy this country with their bs beliefs.

[wtnhunt]

OK....so by having a different set of beliefs I insult yours? I bet many Islamists feel the same. I don't think either of you would actually take such a horrific action, I do feel the The Kats previous posts suggest a sense of thought that did exist in someone who did indeed take such actions.

OK, so a question here. You claim to be a libertarian, you support the rights afforded us under the constitution, so then do you support our government stripping Christians rights by removing the 10 commandments from public places and banning prayer from schools, prayer from football games and other like type things we are seeing in the past 15-20 years? The argument that it offends those who are not Christians is a flawed argument in that there is nothing to force them to view or take part in if they choose not to.

Muslims are given rights to worship and pratice their religion and so long as it is done in a civil manner I suppose I have to respect that, if they were told they could not do so in a public place you and I both know there would be aclu suits and liberals defending their rights, why is it that there is double standard and from a libertarian standpoint what do you propose to be the answer to lessen tensions that are obviously worsening as a result?

While I do feel that the current administration is trying to instate some sort of "new brand" of Socialism, (Maybe we can call it Socialism Lite...LOL!) and it needs to be curtailed to say the least, it is a far cry from historic Socialistic visions. Do you know the difference between Socialism and Fascism? Do you think they both are just as destructive and dangerous as each other?

Broadening the dependent class is a step towards socialism and that is exactly what the liberals are doing. You did not ask me, but I do know the difference in socialism and fascism, some of your comments directed towards other members here have me wondering if you actually know the difference, so I ask you do you know the difference and do you even know what fascism is?

You do realize your support of an independent or a write in in the last election was essentially a vote for Obama and his "brand" whatever you wish to call it of socialism. This in my opinion is exactly the type of foolishness that we were warned of. Seems somewhere you referenced a quote regarding just that.

As for your comment regarding the arrival of fascism to this country, Obama claimed/claims to be a Christian, his pastor obviously was/is not a Christian, but rather a hate monger. I suppose I could see your connection there, however "Reverend" Wright's preachings came from the ideals of Black liberation theology not that of Christianity. As to whether Obama will succeed at bringing socialism or fascism to this country; his time is runing out and I am hopeful he is a one termer and we will see a much less liberal President next term, who will lead us away from this socialist direction we have been headed in.

[The Bug House]

I'm arrogant??? That statement coming from the guy who boasts about a masters degree and possibly attaining a Phd as if it made your right in the discussion simply due to your educational achievements.

You are correct I am strong in my views and am especially strong and disapproving of Muslims, and any other people who want to try and destroy this country with their bs beliefs.

I already admitted to a silly citation..... I'm willing to agree to disagree, but I'm unsure how my "bs beliefs" are destroying this country.

[The Bug House]

OK, so a question here. You claim to be a libertarian, you support the rights afforded us under the constitution, so then do you support our government stripping Christians rights by removing the 10 commandments from public places and banning prayer from schools, prayer from football games and other like type things we are seeing in the past 15-20 years? The argument that it offends those who are not Christians is a flawed argument in that there is nothing to force them to view or take part in if they choose not to.

See my comments regarding the renaming of the Christmas tree......I would tend to agree with you on this.

Muslims are given rights to worship and pratice their religion and so long as it is done in a civil manner I suppose I have to respect that, if they were told they could not do so in a public place you and I both know there would be aclu suits and liberals defending their rights, why is it that there is double standard and from a libertarian standpoint what do you propose to be the answer to lessen tensions that are obviously worsening as a result?

I don't see a double standard, have there been lawsuits by Christians for public observance as well? I suppose there probably should be. Everyone should have that right, by not having any federal stance on the subject at all, IMO, would at least set up a more tolerant stance. I don't know that I have an answer, but it seems that forbidding anyone from public religious observation has become the de facto result. FTR - I don't think thats the answer either.

Broadening the dependent class is a step towards socialism and that is exactly what the liberals are doing. You did not ask me, but I do know the difference in socialism and fascism, some of your comments directed towards other members here have me wondering if you actually know the difference, so I ask you do you know the difference and do you even know what fascism is?

I've always considered Communism to be the "sharpened blade" of Socialism.

Fascism was born from an ultra right wing viewpoint, but since has been redefined a bit to dissociate from conservatism. Advocation for a single - party state, a collective Federal identity, (which seems like Totalitarianism) readily willing to commit war and violence in order to protect said collective identity (even against fellow countrymen), rejection of individualism, or independent thought, creation of an Empire....these are all hallmarks of a Fascist state. Ironically, it does share some definition with Socialism as far as ecomomic control and some social outlooks. My use of the term was in response to The Kat's post which indicated that any thought or beliefs, unlike his own are bringing down this country and should be destroyed.

You do realize your support of an independent or a write in in the last election was essentially a vote for Obama and his "brand" whatever you wish to call it of socialism. This in my opinion is exactly the type of foolishness that we were warned of. Seems somewhere you referenced a quote regarding just that.

The dastardly disadvantage of a 2 party state. "The lesser of 2 evils" is a term I hear frequently when addressing this problem. I have my opinion on the last Presidential campaign, and I would probably be lambasted here if I made it clear. Lets just say Obama was never the lesser evil, and his primary opposition had my vote until his campaign became the greater of the remaining evils. Ultimately I felt I needed to vote for the candidate that represented the closest to my views.

As for your comment regarding the arrival of fascism to this country, Obama claimed/claims to be a Christian, his pastor obviously was/is not a Christian, but rather a hate monger. I suppose I could see your connection there, however "Reverend" Wright's preachings came from the ideals of Black liberation theology not that of Christianity. As to whether Obama will succeed at bringing socialism or fascism to this country; his time is runing out and I am hopeful he is a one termer and we will see a much less liberal President next term, who will lead us away from this socialist direction we have been headed in.

I hoped you're not surprised that I agree with bolded. What I meant by that statement was, the use of the Flag (perceived Patriotism) and the Bible (perceived morality) will be to rabble-rouse and sway opinions in order to achieve a political victory.

[wtnhunt]

The dastardly disadvantage of a 2 party state. "The lesser of 2 evils" is a term I hear frequently when addressing this problem. I have my opinion on the last Presidential campaign, and I would probably be lambasted here if I made it clear. Lets just say Obama was never the lesser evil, and his primary opposition had my vote until his campaign became the greater of the remaining evils. Ultimately I felt I needed to vote for the candidate that represented the closest to my views.

Some folks think Obama taking this last election might have been the wake up call this country needed and that may well be the case. McCain was certainly not my first choice, was a lot of voters who felt he was the lesser of evils.

I hoped you're not surprised that I agree with bolded. What I meant by that statement was, the use of the Flag (perceived Patriotism) and the Bible (perceived morality) will be to rabble-rouse and sway opinions in order to achieve a political victory.

Symbolisms?

A leader with morality and ethical values based in Christianity I do not believe for one second would lead this country into a state of fascism. Just my opinion, but think that is a pretty far fetched notion if that is what you are suggesting. May be possible that a poser could do just as you say, we have already seen that happen and that man has crammed legislation through that the overwhelming majority of voters in this country have said they did not want. True discontent, signs of a dictator in the making?

[wtnhunt]

Fascism was born from an ultra right wing viewpoint, but since has been redefined a bit to dissociate from conservatism. Advocation for a single - party state, a collective Federal identity, (which seems like Totalitarianism) readily willing to commit war and violence in order to protect said collective identity (even against fellow countrymen), rejection of individualism, or independent thought, creation of an Empire....these are all hallmarks of a Fascist state. Ironically, it does share some definition with Socialism as far as ecomomic control and some social outlooks. My use of the term was in response to The Kat's post which indicated that any thought or beliefs, unlike his own are bringing down this country and should be destroyed.

Some folks are pretty passionate about how they feel this country is headed in the wrong direction and probably pretty rightfully so. I don't think suppression of one group is the answer, however I also don't agree that suggesting that someone who acknowledges those groups that are involved in violence and speaking out against them gives way to others having any merit in labelling you as an extremist or as one who is leading the way to a movement towards a state of fascism as you suggested. Sure we all have made comments we might not have meant exactly as they came across, and this is the internet where often things get taken out of context.

That said, when it comes down to it, if radical extremists hide inside a religious group and that group aims to kill you and or all those like you, do you remain passive and let them or do you go after them with the possibility that some innocent will get killed? Rather than see my children get killed and other innocent women and children get killed, I would probably be apt to go on the offensive, seems a pretty clear point when you put it in real perspectives and I am sure you would probably feel the same when it came down to your own children, don't hardly think that would make you a fascist though now would it.