I use the HS Undertaker with Winchester Supremes in 3" #5's. That combo is deadly out to 35 yards but I find that a back-up shell in Remington hevi-shot does better at the 40-45 yd mark. That's an important point for all of us who might miss a close shot, (been there, done that), and needed a second when ole tom is a runnin'! Just make sure you have the right choke for hevi-shot loads, too. And in my opinion, we shouldn't try to shoot past 40-45 yds max, though if your gun does it, I guess it's a judgement call.