Allright, this last weekend was the youth hunt here in Michigan. My dad had to bring me to his stand because i had no idea where it was. (haha) So, he brings along a climber to put in a tree by me. No problem there. But, it takes him like 15 minutes to get it right, then he plays around with his water bottle. The entire hunt i can here him plain as day 10 yards away. I know he wasn't trying to make me mad. If he is really that loud in the stand how has he shot like 5 140 class deer and one 180 class typical? Then when some does come walking by they immediatly notice him by sound. haha. luckly they didn't bust. Do loud hunters have luck on their side or do they just know when to be quiet?