Mirage Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 Are there different types of whitetaill deer? I noticed that deer from canada seen to look different to me they have a bigger nose on some of them and there heads are shaped a little different too. Is it just me And texas deer antlers look kinda tall and thinner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 Re: Different Types of whitetails?? There are over 30 subspecies of the whitetail. The biggest being dacotensis I believe (the monster Saskatchecatspellit kind), the smallest being the endangered key deer down in the everglades. Here's a lousy map I found: There's a better PDF map on the net if you Google "whitetail subspecies distribution" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirage Posted December 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 Re: Different Types of whitetails?? wow I have been hunting for 16 years and never knew that. Thanks Tominator. I live in floirda and ride my atv through the woods here and on ocation see deer but they are very small compared to the deer i see in maryland body size and antlers. so i just thought man they must be diff. types of whitetail deer. Now i know. I think the deer speicies is canada are of the gigantic species perhaps of the biggest..lol thanks again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 Re: Different Types of whitetails?? all I know is the Can. whities are HUGE!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double_drop Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 Re: Different Types of whitetails?? wow didn't know this as well. thanks for the info. All i knew is that our deer here in Iowa are one of the biggest bucks in the us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirage Posted December 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 Re: Different Types of whitetails?? the giganticus breed..lol i have heard of them yes they are large Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrow32 Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 Re: Different Types of whitetails?? I have never known that. But i did know Can. deer are big. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 Re: Different Types of whitetails?? No problem guys. I take some heat from my buddy ohiobucks with this taxonomy stuff, but I guess I just find it interesting. Now when you see somebody post "we don't get deer that big down here" you'll know why. There's a property in nature (don't remember the name of it, starts with a B), that says, the farther north you go, the bigger the body of a particular species. It has to do with core body heat. That's why the Canada version of the whitetail is the biggest, and the smallest is the key deer. I won't complain too much, Ohio is in the Odocoileus virginianus borealis territory, which is the second biggest subspecies of the whitetail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LDB Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 Re: Different Types of whitetails?? I think the property in nature you are talking about is Bergman's Rule or Bergman's Law or something like that. Saskbucks knows what the proper term is. I just know that our deer in Saskatchewan can get large bodies. There's even a noticeable difference in average body size of deer from northern Saskatchewan versus southern Saskatchewan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 Re: Different Types of whitetails?? [ QUOTE ] I think the property in nature you are talking about is Bergman's Rule or Bergman's Law or something like that. Saskbucks knows what the proper term is. I just know that our deer in Saskatchewan can get large bodies. There's even a noticeable difference in average body size of deer from northern Saskatchewan versus southern Saskatchewan. [/ QUOTE ] Yep, I think that's it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherguy Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 Re: Different Types of whitetails?? Yup, they nailed it. The colder the climate the bigger the deer in the area. Big deer have a lower surface area to volume ratio meaning it loses less heat. Similarly in the hot south a big deer would overheat, while the small deer that evolved there have a higher surface area to volume ratio meaning they can cool much more easily. Much the same thing that occurs with shiras moose in the south being much smaller bodied than Alaska Yukon moose in the north. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oo_buck Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 Re: Different Types of whitetails?? Interesting.... This might also explain the differences in the size of people in Florida to the size of people in Canada..... J / K guys.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 Re: Different Types of whitetails?? [ QUOTE ] Interesting.... This might also explain the differences in the size of people in Florida to the size of people in Canada..... J / K guys.... [/ QUOTE ] Actually, you're not too far from the truth. Take a typical Eastern European, or Eskimo, and compare him/her to someone from Africa. I don't want to sound racist, but there's a reason why native Europeans are shorter than native Africans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirage Posted December 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 Re: Different Types of whitetails?? hahaha thats funny but true , anyway so to score on a big deer you stand a better chance in area with the coldest climate that whitetail inhabit? hmm very interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockefeller66 Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 Re: Different Types of whitetails?? I knew there was different ones, just didn't know there was that many! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted December 24, 2005 Report Share Posted December 24, 2005 Re: Different Types of whitetails?? [ QUOTE ] hahaha thats funny but true , anyway so to score on a big deer you stand a better chance in area with the coldest climate that whitetail inhabit? hmm very interesting [/ QUOTE ] Yep, you want big deer, go to Canada, or Oklahoma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_Shooter Posted December 24, 2005 Report Share Posted December 24, 2005 Re: Different Types of whitetails?? and thast another reason im proud to be canadian haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted December 24, 2005 Report Share Posted December 24, 2005 Re: Different Types of whitetails?? Have got a really good distribution map in a book I bought a few years ago. The borealis and dakota deer are the two largest subspecies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted December 24, 2005 Report Share Posted December 24, 2005 Re: Different Types of whitetails?? [ QUOTE ] Wow! There's a lot of species of whitetails along the coast of South and North Carolina. [/ QUOTE ] Mostly due to those deer being seperated by the Intercoastal Waterway. Georgia got a mess of Borealis deer back in the 60's or 70's I think, when they swapped with Wisconsin for turkey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirage Posted December 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2005 Re: Different Types of whitetails?? my buddy told me that the wildlife department in ocala florida brought down some bigger deer from PA to make stronger deer in ocala and thats why they are bigger there, That explains the reason why they are bigger up there compared to farther south. thanks again for the info tominator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirage Posted December 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2005 Re: Different Types of whitetails?? Hey, is a 250 pound deer harder to kill than a 150 pound deer with a bow, would you not get the penatration? i kill deer in maryland that avaerage 130 to 170 pounds live weight and always wondered if a real big deer came along would it be tougher to kill him, or would the arrow have the same affect on him as the other deer i have gotten. I know it depends on shot placementbut lets say single lung shot because he is bigger and maybe my arrow would not go through him? do you know what I mean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted December 25, 2005 Report Share Posted December 25, 2005 Re: Different Types of whitetails?? I've gotten pass through shots on 100 lb deer, and 200 lb. deer. A lot depends on your draw weight, arrow, broadhead, etc. Kinetic energy is kinetic energy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lilbuckmaster Posted December 25, 2005 Report Share Posted December 25, 2005 Re: Different Types of whitetails?? I never knew that there were several different types of whitetail deer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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