Newarcher Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 My wife is going out of town this morning...no that's not the shame part! ....so we decided to take the kids to the local mall to get some dinner and maybe see a movie or whatnot this past Saturday. For some reason, they only kid movie was at 9:40 PM??? What's with that? Anyway, we noticed quite a lot of roving and loitering gangs of ganstahs (or wanna be ganstahs) roving around seemingly looking for trouble. For those who would say, "How could you tell?", they were sort of roving the pathways intentionally bumping into people of different racial makeups than themselves and aggressively eyeing people of the other racial orientation than themselves hoping for a reply. Had I not known where I was, I would have thought I was in an inner city somewhere, perhaps LA. It was reminiscent of some police shows where you see a group of people loitering around waiting for some sort of signal to start something. We ended up at the food court and noticed a large group of black youth sitting nearby....teenagers. They seemed fine at the time....albeit for me a little odd in their dress and acting like ganstahs. I did notice one kid that I assume couldn't afford a skull cap, as he had a pair of panty hose on his head with the legs dangling down almost like two long braids of hair! I think they were control tops. Anyway, after about ten minutes of sitting there mass pandamonium broke out a few tables over from us. Some kind of a fight between two girls (showing their a$$ as my mom used to say). In less than say 10 seconds it was a mass gang type fight with thugs coming from all around. Suddenly, we ended up almost in the middle of it and had to grab our kids up and hightail it out of there as the fight spilled over to where we were sitting. Finally, a couple security guards who were as useless as a **** on a bull came over and more or less waited until the fight had a lull and then they casually walked over and were doing their handshakes with the participants and laughing and acting like the teenagers that they were trying to break up. Except for the uniforms, I couldn't tell the difference between them and the kids. Definitely not the strong response they needed to put forth to end the trouble. So you would have thought that was the end of it. Nope......the participants relocated from the foodcourt to the walkway areas where families were trying to shop and then it grew to probably 150-200 people all of a sudden. You had parents and kids trying to dodge out of the way of probably 50+ fighting people and not get themselves hurt. That's when the real police showed up and broke it up---should have taken every one of the idiots to jail but I think they just broke it up. I saw as we were walking a group of thugs surround a security guard (security guard was a kid of probably 17 or 18) because he was following them and watching them. One was up in his face with his gold tooth shining bobbing his head in the kid's face and sticking his finger in the kid's face. I told my wife that if they jump him I wasn't going to stand by and watch it happen. This is a shame that these punk kids have to act like animals. I am all for meeting your friends at the mall and having a good time. When did having fun morph from acting like ganstahs and gangbanging? Me and my buddies used to go the mall and never once did we get into a fight or get in any trouble for that matter. So, needless to say...we won't be going back to THAT mall. New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master_Chief Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Re: This is a real shame That is too bad. I am seeing more and more of that. Then the wife wonders why I don't want her or my daughter going out alone. Of course if one of those "Ball games" breaks out I do carry my 36" softball bat just in case I need to get "home". Wife does not like that being in the Tahoe at all. When the day comes, I hope it doesn't but I think it will, that I get her, the daughter or some other innocent out, she will appreciate it. Well maybe she will.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Re: This is a real shame Sounds like class change in the school where I used to teach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master_Chief Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Re: This is a real shame [ QUOTE ] Sounds like class change in the school where I used to teach. [/ QUOTE ] Almost every night on the news here (Va Beach) you can here of something going on at a school. And it is very rarely good. I wish the news would program this stuff like sports and weather. Have a fights and murder section of the news, put it last in the newscast so I can change the channel. I am tired of hearing about it all the time on the news. I wish we could hear more about the good kids like the ones on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Re: This is a real shame Master Chief part of the problem is that these walking wastes of air are looked up to by most of "their" society. To be a major aggressor in one of these altercations or to be blessed by having an altercation witht the police is a badge of honor to many of these kids. The root problem is the vast majority have no parental supervision. Most don't have fathers in the home and many have mothers who work 2nd shift. So these kids are raising each other. The only time the mothers see them is on weekends, and they are so out of control that the mothers are unable to do anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Re: This is a real shame And people ask why we need Concealed Carry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master_Chief Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Re: This is a real shame [ QUOTE ] Master Chief part of the problem is that these walking wastes of air are looked up to by most of "their" society. To be a major aggressor in one of these altercations or to be blessed by having an altercation witht the police is a badge of honor to many of these kids. The root problem is the vast majority have no parental supervision. Most don't have fathers in the home and many have mothers who work 2nd shift. So these kids are raising each other. The only time the mothers see them is on weekends, and they are so out of control that the mothers are unable to do anything. [/ QUOTE ] I couldn't agree more. No father, very little mother, then they blame the schools and society for not teaching their children. I know we pay humbrage to the military on here alot, and it is well deserved. However I would like to thank the teachers out there who are really putting in the time to teach the kids that want to learn and offer them sanity and patience in dealing with the others. Job well done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerClay Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Re: This is a real shame They are having a similar problem with a mall in Utica. Gang fights all the time. In the beginning the mall did very little to deter them becauuuuuuse they were paying customers. Then the mall realized that they were scaring away ADULT paying customers. Now they have almost no control over the situation and people are scared to go there after dark. New, I would voice a complaint with the movie theater and the mall owners. Tell them you are taking your business elsewhere. It's the only way you are going to make a change. Ranger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Re: This is a real shame I keep a baseball bat in my truck too MC...my girlfriend doesn't like me keeping it there either, and she all ways says I'll never need it...hope she's right, but if I do need it, she'll be glad it was there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Re: This is a real shame I've got two brothers in two seperate classes in band. Their mother left them when the second one was born, the father then gave them to his brother, the brother then left them with his wife. She is not their legal guardian, they just live with her. These boys are two of the most talented kids I've had in 13 years of teaching. The aunt got a better paying job on 2nd shift last year and the boys are now starting to go out of control. They have both joined a gang and are starting to have discipline problems at school. There gang brothers see accelling in band and in school as "acting white". So as soon as these boys around there "homies" they start acting the part. It is so sad to see this, and I've talked to both boys about the road that they are choosing and where it leads to. The problem is that every child needs a family and these gangs provide them with that family that we all seek. They will no doubt be on drugs soon if they are not already and in prison befor 20. They are in the 5th and 7th grades. It's a sad world we live in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newarcher Posted March 27, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Re: This is a real shame I actually have a concealed carry permit---isn't that a scary thought? The problem with carrying in such a place is that the law is very ambiguous. Some cops would call that a public gathering place and others wouldn't. If the cop chooses to arrest you for it, you are still arrested. They need to clearly define the law so that people wishing to carry can do so. Of course, if I did have to shoot someone in there, I would probably ignite a literal war that would make the house to house fighting in Baghdad look like childs play. I just don't understand how or why these punks want to go around behaving themselves in a threatening manner. I really don't. No matter how bad you are, you are going to meet up with someone badder than you. I was talking with a coworker about this as it relates to the schools. What do you tell your kid? No longer will the live and let live and mind your own business instructions work because they will become a target or be a doormat. Fight with these ganstah wannabes and you fight with all of them. It is a scary time when you have kids getting ready to start school and they are going to have to deal with this. We have a lot of racial problems at the schools in our area. However, the odd thing is that frankly the white people always get the label. However, never in my schooling nor at the malls, etc. do I see roving bands of white kids walking around trying to intimidate or bother black people or hispanics or any other minority. This is really a sad state of affairs we find ourselves in. New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nut Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Re: This is a real shame This is one of the reasons we moved from the urban/suburban setting in NW Ohio to a rural setting in SE Ohio. LIfe moves at a way slower pace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_Goose Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Re: This is a real shame [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Master Chief part of the problem is that these walking wastes of air are looked up to by most of "their" society. To be a major aggressor in one of these altercations or to be blessed by having an altercation witht the police is a badge of honor to many of these kids. The root problem is the vast majority have no parental supervision. Most don't have fathers in the home and many have mothers who work 2nd shift. So these kids are raising each other. The only time the mothers see them is on weekends, and they are so out of control that the mothers are unable to do anything. [/ QUOTE ] I couldn't agree more. No father, very little mother, then they blame the schools and society for not teaching their children. I know we pay humbrage to the military on here alot, and it is well deserved. However I would like to thank the teachers out there who are really putting in the time to teach the kids that want to learn and offer them sanity and patience in dealing with the others. Job well done. [/ QUOTE ] excellent post guys, couldn't agree more. IT's to bad the kids don't recognize when they are younger that these gangs may satisfy your immediate desires but almost always end in dissapointment. At least in the days of the mafia there was a thing called honor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puffy Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Re: This is a real shame If society tolerates gangs it will exist and grow. Even here in Saskatchewan we have these wanna be elements that strut there stuff. I am one person who would welcome some form of bootcamps for unproductive people like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doughboy1956 Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Re: This is a real shame It goes on everywhere. the place i got my bear this past year is bad. It is only a small community of about 300 people. But they are all related. Two people shot, two taking hostage. lobster boat and house burnt. All in a one month period while i was there. Police don,t like going to any 911 calls down there. Lot of their cars burnt also. Shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdvantageTimberLou Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Re: This is a real shame Thugs, gangbangers, hoodlums, call them what you want, but if they just accept the lord in their life and the wilderness, they wouldn't have to act like the animals we like to see in the woods. Problem is the animals in the woods have more manners. Its sad parents don't raise their kids better than this or maybe they do it behind their backs, sad to see youth acting this way. Sad to see our future generation acting this way, wearing pantyhose on your head??? What are they thinking?? Even Joe Namath would be embarrassed!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master_Chief Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Re: This is a real shame Can you imagine back in the '70s if we were to wear panty hose on our head and go to school. Not a good thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kat Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Re: This is a real shame Thats why I go to eastern oklahoma state college.....so I don't have to deal with hood rats. We have our guys who like to dress different ( in the hood if you will ), but they are good guys and girls. It's not in what they wear, it is what is in the morals and their heads. For the idiots at the mall, they have none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbeck Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Re: This is a real shame All I can tell you folks, is I can't understand. I can't relate, can't comprehend. When that stuff comes to our neck of the woods I guess I'll head to Paps ranch in Montana. We have our problems here, but nothing like your pointing out. On the other hand the nearest mall is 45 miles away. Keep praying for these young people, you know they need it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newarcher Posted March 27, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Re: This is a real shame Well, I know there are differences between black and white cultures but this is rediculous. Common sense and pride isn't a black or white thing. I mean it was as if these punks were intentionally dressing and acting in the worst manners possible solely to annoy people. Saturday was eye opening for me. There were literally families scurrying with strollers and kids trying to get out of these animal's way. These people had absolutely no care or concern for the kids there or anything else. That went across all racial lines. I had to call one kid out because he was dropping foul language with my kids right next to him....to his credit he apologized and left the area. Oh well, I suppose that the mitigating factor is that these punks are realizing the fruits of their actions each and every day. If only the rest of civilized society didn't have to put up with them. New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruttinbuc Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Re: This is a real shame The culture is fed everyday by those actors who call themselves artists who rant and rave on the airwaves to music you really can't dance to. A culture of blaming someone else for all of their problems. There are few role models for them other than what they see in the American media everyday. There are many who stroke that media and benefit from these people by making them what they are. About the Benjamin's! Fathers needed. Indeed they are. I can tell you a story about being the only white person in a Detroit suburb mall once. But I won't at the risk of appearing racist. To say I was a pearl in a sea of coal would be an understatement. Not onyx or pale quartz, but a pearl. Never have I then or ever since been looked upon as something so different, unusual, out of place. Not as you might think. Not in a bad way. Was I afraid? I didn't show it. Were they? Not at all. Was I friendly and poised? Yes, as they were as well! Was I a threat? Not at all. Were they? Most definitely! Why? Because I was grossly outnumbered! Did I have culture in their presence? None. Did they? As I said, I was grossly outnumbered! © Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 Re: This is a real shame it wil keep getting worse until we stop it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griz Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 Re: This is a real shame If they want to act like varmits. They need to have a season on them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 Re: This is a real shame [ QUOTE ] The culture is fed everyday by those actors who call themselves artists who rant and rave on the airwaves to music you really can't dance to. A culture of blaming someone else for all of their problems. There are few role models for them other than what they see in the American media everyday. There are many who stroke that media and benefit from these people by making them what they are. About the Benjamin's! [/ QUOTE ] You make an interesting point, but I think the gangster rap is just a sad byproduct of the problem. This is truley like the society in the book "Lord of the Flies" It is the survival of the fittest with no moral absolutes at all. He who appears strongest and most powerfull to the group is the leader. These kids are constantly jockeying for position of leadership. It is their way of life. If there are parents at the home they are of no consiquence to the kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhunter91 Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 Re: This is a real shame Not too long ago in my area, at the Palisades Mall there was a huge brawl. Kids aging from 12-16 years old were arrested. All were charged with rioting, a felony. Now the Palisades Mall has a curfew. Nobody aloud in the mall under 18 past 4:00pm without someone who is 21 or older. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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