Griz Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 I belong to this other forum and this guy made a post on "What's your favorite hunting video"... I put down Realtree and this is what he said... What a moron... [ QUOTE ] the Realtree guys, the men who started it all. The guys who raised to bar so high that now all others must follow in order to make it in the business. These guys probally cant even remember what it was like to scout a piece of land and hunt out of a stand that they have hung! They go to show that anyone with money can kill a big buck. I promise you they are no better hunter than you or I, less if anything! They pay someone to do all the work for them. They just go out there, wait for a CERTAIN deer that they PAID TO HUNT to walk by, and then shoot it. To me their videos dont show hunting, they show shooting. But once again their videos are good quality. [/ QUOTE ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Re: You have got to read this... OUCH !! This one is going to get some attention, when everyone decides to wake up for the day... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griz Posted July 27, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Re: You have got to read this... [ QUOTE ] OUCH !! This one is going to get some attention, when everyone decides to wake up for the day... [/ QUOTE ] I sure hope it does... I just couldn't let this pass... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdvantageTimberLou Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Re: You have got to read this... sounds like a jeolous loser to me and you can relay the message to him Griz for me!! Guess Bill Jordan just fell into the business huh, that guy needs to have a wake up call and realize if it was not for Bill Jordan coming up with the Realtree concept, hunting would not be where it is today. Realtree raised the bar but that is just because Mr. Jordan does not know the meaning of failure or a so-so company. I like their videos and could care less what losers like that guy say, you think he would say no if Waddell called up and asked him to be on a "Roadtrip" with him? That guy needs to wake up and quite being a sour puss!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeramie Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Re: You have got to read this... And he would be clueless. Im anxious to see some replies on this one too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamphunter Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Re: You have got to read this... Griz I think that, that comment right there is worthy of you getting banned over there with your response. All in favor of Griz getting nasty and banned from the other forum say Aye... AYE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbeck Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Re: You have got to read this... I would have to say that there are alot of guys like this hear also. I mostly hunt private land, and they think that I'm not a hunter because I own property. It's easy to get big bucks if you own your own ground. I must say that it is easier to pattern unpresured deer, but by no means is it easy to take them regardless. You have a better chance of getting a good buck in Kansas than Pa, but they don't show you all the times these guys go to a outfitter and come home empty handed. I they showed all the hunts that were unsucessful, the video wouldn't be real thrilling. LOL Imagine real time video of David sitting in a tree for a week sun up to sun down and nothing coming into bow range. Boy would that be action packed. LOL The only thing I can say to people like this is they don't see what a man gives up to be able to hunt. Money, time from families, thanks giving dinner in camp instead of at home. quit complaining, and crying over someone else being sucessful. WHAA WHAA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newarcher Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Re: You have got to read this... Now I am a Roadtrips junkie.....I even have the license plate with no place to put it on the Yota. But the guy is half right, but Realtree isn't alone, it is most of the industry. Michael Waddell just had a roadtrips where he hunted Antelope. He hunted them just like everyone else did....drew the tag and started hoofing the area he was assigned to hunt. He had an outfitter but at the same time, he still had to find them--the outfitter was no guarantee of success. They were free range animals and you saw the result, hard hunting. So to me, that is no different than you or I thowing down a tent on some private land and stalking them. On the other hand (and where the poster has a point about pretty much all hunting shows) how many times have we heard hunters from ALL shows (inluding Realtree) say "They have been seeing ole mossy horns in this area so we set up there". The outfitters in many instances have been feeding the deer there or it is a bottleneck leading to the feeder. The deer have been heavily pre-scouted and pretty well patterned. The hunter doesn't have to say "ah well, I think I will take that 6 because he's the best deer I have seen on the property this year". They know if they wait long enough, they will get the big buck. Comeon, the poster was spot on with regards to much of this stuff but it isn't only Realtree doing it. Of course, you had you know who (name I won't mention) at that outfitter (who I won't say) shooting a deer in that enclosure. That being said, I certainly think that you don't get your own show without being a premier hunter (Tom Miranda 'miss em all Tom' might be the exception ). I would hazard a guess that most of these guys could not come onto a brand new piece of property with a film crew and score on a monster buck--in under a week-- like they have in their videos. But then again, neither can you or I. How many guys are still chasing that monster you got on camera or saw a few seasons ago? Hunting, unfortunately, isn't an ADD sufferers sport but the business of making the videos is. So yes, much of thier hunting is the 'yep, old mossy horns uses this trail sometime between the hours of 5:30 PM and dusk now where's my $4,500?'. But that's the business and really must be understood. How long would Realtree exist if all you ever saw was foliage and crickets chirping because they were hunting like we do? However, at least on Roadtrips, it appears that Michael does a lot more than most in that he is hanging the stands, studying topo maps, and it seems that he makes many of the decisions where to hang the stands. Much more than being dropped off at a wooden ladder stand in a deer pen. At least with Michael, it is no different than what will happen day one on my new hunting lease....the guys that have been scouting will have to help me find some good areas since I am not familiar with the area. I have always said that I think it would be a great series (and one worth paying for) to see someone like David Blanton go from start to finish on a new piece of property. Show (in detail) how he picks the property, how he scouts it, have him actually show on a topo map how he picks the good spots and what to look for, how he hangs stands and conceals them, where he places stands for the various wind directions, etc. I think David is tailor made for such a show. New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Re: You have got to read this... [ QUOTE ] ...They go to show that anyone with money can kill a big buck. [/ QUOTE ] True that enough time and money will get you into an area that has big bucks, but you still have to have at least the basic skills to pull off the kill. And if you're doing it with a bow, and on camera, it gets several orders of magnitude tougher. [ QUOTE ] I promise you they are no better hunter than you or I, less if anything! [/ QUOTE ] Huh? Who is this guy, Daniel Boone? I consider myself an above average hunter, but there's no way I'd claim to be better than the RT prostaffers! [ QUOTE ] They pay someone to do all the work for them. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, everything except planning the trip, practicing the shooting, packing all the equipment, getting up early, staying up late, filming all of the action, editing the film, sitting in a tree for hours and hours, dealing with the weather, pulling off the shot when it counts, and doing all of this and being entertaining at the same time. Whew, I'm getting tired just thinking about it! What can I say, other than THIS GUY IS CLUELESS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Re: You have got to read this... Yeah sad truth is a lot of these shows do show a person hunting from a already setup and ready stand where they know what deer they are after. About the worst is watching the guys who hunt the sheds at water holes for antelopes, and the guys who go to africa and sit in the little huts. It is just a sitting and waiting and then a shooting game, but still we all can agree that making the shot on the animal is critical and is part of hunting. Personally I really honestly dont care to watch someone sit in a hut and play a video poker handheld game while they are waiting for an animal to come by. Not accusing anyone here, just being honest, that is not what I as a hunter am really interested in seeing on a show, and on those shows where they do, I am kind of hard pressed not to change channels when I see this type of thing. With that said, I really dont think realtree is bad about this as far as the not scouting part and just dropping into a stand with everything ready. I have watched too many shows where they do show portions of their scouting and where they do show that they had to move stands or setups to get close enough to close the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdvantageTimberLou Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Re: You have got to read this... All you would have to do is watch last weekend's show when David Blanton was talking with his son about the buck he got, now if that is not what hunting is all about, not sure what is! They pray to god the night before about getting a big buck, they showed David trying different stand locations. Realtree if anything is guilty of setting the standard on how a hunt should be filmed and what should go into that 30 minute time slot!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newarcher Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Re: You have got to read this... Well, let's face it......after watching Realtree and some of the others, it is gosh aweful boring to watch some of the locally produced shows where nothing happens. If I am going to buy a video, I don't want to see myself hunting....I want to see someone be successful! I am going to be honest, many of these shows are productions but that is the nature of the beast. Don't sit and watch the shows if you don't like the product. That is like blaming the circus for putting on a good show. If they had a camera following me around, it would have to be called Realtree letdowns! New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchies Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Re: You have got to read this... Part of this that you have to remember is that those guys sit on stand 12-15 hours a day sometimes 7 or more days in a row just to get that one shot. Granted there are days that just work out right but most of the time Waddell is in the tree for a few days. If he was paying big money don't you think he would have them drug and push the deer out so he could shoot that deer as soon as they got enough footage. If I was a person that paid big money to shoot deer just for video then I wouldn't be wanting to sit in a tree for weeks on end. Hey Tim, How many days does your normal hunt last before you tag a deer? Just an average will work but I am betting it is at least 3-4 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Re: You have got to read this... There's a critic in every crowd. I wouldn't waste my time even talking to the guy. Realtree is about real hunters. What they do is for our pleasure to watch. If you met these guys, you'd know they don't think of themselves as a higher caliber of hunter than the average hunter out there and they work harder at hunting and producing good videos that I have ever worked at in my hunting career. This joker has no idea what he's talking about. He just likes to toot his own horn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newarcher Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Re: You have got to read this... [ QUOTE ] Part of this that you have to remember is that those guys sit on stand 12-15 hours a day sometimes 7 or more days in a row just to get that one shot. Granted there are days that just work out right but most of the time Waddell is in the tree for a few days. If he was paying big money don't you think he would have them drug and push the deer out so he could shoot that deer as soon as they got enough footage. If I was a person that paid big money to shoot deer just for video then I wouldn't be wanting to sit in a tree for weeks on end. Hey Tim, How many days does your normal hunt last before you tag a deer? Just an average will work but I am betting it is at least 3-4 days. [/ QUOTE ] True, I honestly think that if I had the pressure some of these guys have on them to kill a monster buck (Waddell, Primos guys) or to even hit one (Miranda ), I wouldn't like hunting any more. I hunt to get away from life and pressures. As long as they aren't hunting a pen, I don't care. I watch Roadtrips more because I like Michael and the camp antics than for the deer. I mean, you've seen one deer...you've seen them all. New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrow32 Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Re: You have got to read this... [ QUOTE ] Griz I think that, that comment right there is worthy of you getting banned over there with your response. All in favor of Griz getting nasty and banned from the other forum say Aye... AYE! [/ QUOTE ] Im in favor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchies Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Re: You have got to read this... Griz, I know what board it came from but i didn't expect it to come from that guy. Although he is a traditional hunter and most Trad are set in the ways of the older day. Nothing wrong with it. They just don't believe that alot of these shows are fair chase and like I said before they may sit a week in stand for 15 minutes of glory footage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griz Posted July 27, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Re: You have got to read this... LMBO@Swamp... Yeah I couldn't believe it when I read his comment. I guess I will never understand how someone like him along with many others can judge something like that. Some people just amazes me sometimes... I just shake my head and laugh...Thinking how stupid... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Re: You have got to read this... All I can say is that I would never put myself in the same class as Bill Jordon and his staff... These folks just work too hard and long for me..... OH and guess what ?? They do it for us as well as for thier enjoyment..... I challenge anyone to try and keep up with these folks at Realtree.... You'll earn every dollar you make,, I'll gurantee that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest okiehunter Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 Re: You have got to read this... Hey Griz why don't you show his whole post and quit doing what you are accusing him of doing (crying). This kind of attitude is why I chose not to attend the realtree get togeather. heres his whole post. Ok. I've bit my lip long enough, so here's my rant. I remember back in the day at Kbart's parent's video store. They must have had every hunting video ever produced, a whole wall of them! Back then hunting videos were just that, HUNTING videos. With people like Roger Raglin and Dan Fitzgereld. The Realtree boys only had two or three videos back then. It seemed to me that the videos were still pure and "un-commercialized". They would show why they picked a certain spot or what they expected the deer to do (which, as in real life things never went as planned). They didnt kill the biggest deer, make the most perfect shots, or even get the best footage, but their videos were real and showed real-life HUNTING! Lets look at some examples of the video producers today while I talk about some of their good points and bad. First, lets start with Ted Nugent. The Nuge is an awesome guy and really does great things for the sport of bowhunting. But, he really pushes the products he uses on his show. For example, the guy uses several different brands of bows while hunting just to premote sales. Another thing is he hunts high fences. Which brings me to my next person Jack Brittingham. I love to watch this man hunt exotics, but you can bet money that if this guy is hunting whitetails then he is hunting inside a high fence. Granted, he does get some amazing footage of some monster bucks and his videos are great quality, but its all for that almighty dollar. Anyone with deep pockets can produce that kind of quality deer. Once again, he really seems like a great person and does alot for the sport. Plus, in the videos that I have seen, he's not tring to shove a certain product down your throat. Which brings me to the next couple of guys, the Drury boys. A few years ago I would have to say that these guys were my favorite. They did and still do hunt 100% wild 100% fair chase (or so they advertise), hunting mostly their own land where they locate their own sweet spot and hang their own stands. However, now these guys have jumped on the advertising trend to the extreme! They seem to be less about hunting and more about the quality of the film (did it show them driving down the road? Did it show them using scent spray? Did they get enough footage of the deer before the shot? Did they make a PERFECT shot?) . Also, all they seem to talk about is their products. Use this spray, the wildlife eye this the wildlife eye that, and I dont care if I ever see another commercial about the new Drury scent suit. Knight and Hale, same thing, sell sell sell. I mean come on, who is actuall going to use a "steady ready"? Probally the same guy who uses the "deer view mirror" or "still steamin buck semen". Thats just what I need, another product to haul to the woods and worry about going wrong. So onward now to Primos. In my opinion these people are still trying to keep it real. They still try and sell their products but not so much a way that you really notice it. Now the big boys, the Realtree guys, the men who started it all. The guys who raised to bar so high that now all others must follow in order to make it in the business. These guys probally cant even remember what it was like to scout a piece of land and hunt out of a stand that they have hung! They go to show that anyone with money can kill a big buck. I promise you they are no better hunter than you or I, less if anything! They pay someone to do all the work for them. They just go out there, wait for a CERTAIN deer that they PAID TO HUNT to walk by, and then shoot it. To me their videos dont show hunting, they show shooting. But once again their videos are good quality. To step off the subject alittle, I know that I'm over-obssesing and that I just have to learn that this is what our sport has come to. Its just a shame that this is how it has to be. I remember just years ago when I could approach a land owner and ask for permission to hunt without expecting to have to hand him a thousand or more to do so. The worst part is I know its my fault as a hunter that things have gotten this bad! I'm the one who paid for all the videos. I'm the one who has bought the "latest and greatest" gadgets, or the coolest new products. I'm the one who has leased land for hunting. I say all this not expecting things to change, I just WISH things could be the way they were. Back in a more simple time when it didnt cost me an arm and a leg to enjoy the things that I love the most. After reading this keep in mind that this is MY opinion and MY opinion alone. Some of this you may agree with and most of it you may not, but either way its just how I FEEL. Shooo...that felt good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 Re: You have got to read this... Griz didn't mis-quote you anyway My opinion, of your accusations and opinion of the Realtree gang still stands. There's a critic in every crowd. You know, if you actually wrote something like that and had facts to back it up, it would be different. You have no idea what kind of work goes into their hunts, never mind trying to get those hunts on video, which is a whole other feat in itself. It wasn't very long ago that we never even had hunting videos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griz Posted July 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 Re: You have got to read this... [ QUOTE ] Hey Griz why don't you show his whole post and quit doing what you are accusing him of doing (crying). This kind of attitude is why I chose not to attend the realtree get togeather. heres his whole post. Ok. I've bit my lip long enough, so here's my rant. I remember back in the day at Kbart's parent's video store. They must have had every hunting video ever produced, a whole wall of them! Back then hunting videos were just that, HUNTING videos. With people like Roger Raglin and Dan Fitzgereld. The Realtree boys only had two or three videos back then. It seemed to me that the videos were still pure and "un-commercialized". They would show why they picked a certain spot or what they expected the deer to do (which, as in real life things never went as planned). They didnt kill the biggest deer, make the most perfect shots, or even get the best footage, but their videos were real and showed real-life HUNTING! Lets look at some examples of the video producers today while I talk about some of their good points and bad. First, lets start with Ted Nugent. The Nuge is an awesome guy and really does great things for the sport of bowhunting. But, he really pushes the products he uses on his show. For example, the guy uses several different brands of bows while hunting just to premote sales. Another thing is he hunts high fences. Which brings me to my next person Jack Brittingham. I love to watch this man hunt exotics, but you can bet money that if this guy is hunting whitetails then he is hunting inside a high fence. Granted, he does get some amazing footage of some monster bucks and his videos are great quality, but its all for that almighty dollar. Anyone with deep pockets can produce that kind of quality deer. Once again, he really seems like a great person and does alot for the sport. Plus, in the videos that I have seen, he's not tring to shove a certain product down your throat. Which brings me to the next couple of guys, the Drury boys. A few years ago I would have to say that these guys were my favorite. They did and still do hunt 100% wild 100% fair chase (or so they advertise), hunting mostly their own land where they locate their own sweet spot and hang their own stands. However, now these guys have jumped on the advertising trend to the extreme! They seem to be less about hunting and more about the quality of the film (did it show them driving down the road? Did it show them using scent spray? Did they get enough footage of the deer before the shot? Did they make a PERFECT shot?) . Also, all they seem to talk about is their products. Use this spray, the wildlife eye this the wildlife eye that, and I dont care if I ever see another commercial about the new Drury scent suit. Knight and Hale, same thing, sell sell sell. I mean come on, who is actuall going to use a "steady ready"? Probally the same guy who uses the "deer view mirror" or "still steamin buck semen". Thats just what I need, another product to haul to the woods and worry about going wrong. So onward now to Primos. In my opinion these people are still trying to keep it real. They still try and sell their products but not so much a way that you really notice it. Now the big boys, the Realtree guys, the men who started it all. The guys who raised to bar so high that now all others must follow in order to make it in the business. These guys probally cant even remember what it was like to scout a piece of land and hunt out of a stand that they have hung! They go to show that anyone with money can kill a big buck. I promise you they are no better hunter than you or I, less if anything! They pay someone to do all the work for them. They just go out there, wait for a CERTAIN deer that they PAID TO HUNT to walk by, and then shoot it. To me their videos dont show hunting, they show shooting. But once again their videos are good quality. To step off the subject alittle, I know that I'm over-obssesing and that I just have to learn that this is what our sport has come to. Its just a shame that this is how it has to be. I remember just years ago when I could approach a land owner and ask for permission to hunt without expecting to have to hand him a thousand or more to do so. The worst part is I know its my fault as a hunter that things have gotten this bad! I'm the one who paid for all the videos. I'm the one who has bought the "latest and greatest" gadgets, or the coolest new products. I'm the one who has leased land for hunting. I say all this not expecting things to change, I just WISH things could be the way they were. Back in a more simple time when it didnt cost me an arm and a leg to enjoy the things that I love the most. After reading this keep in mind that this is MY opinion and MY opinion alone. Some of this you may agree with and most of it you may not, but either way its just how I FEEL. Shooo...that felt good. [/ QUOTE ] LOL... What are you trying to do... Hurt my fillings okiehunter...Oh Please...lol... [ QUOTE ] This kind of attitude is why I chose not to attend the realtree get togeather. [/ QUOTE ] Honestly...I just as soon keep that kind of attitude away from the get together...Thank you... No...I didn't mis-quote anyone. I quoted what was wrote...Period... I believe if you read down threw all of this mess you will find were it starts out with Realtree and goes on from there or either that just scroll to the top and you can read what I quoted... Crying...No there's no crying going on...Just facts and besides, after reading that remark I wanted to share it with all my Realtree buddies... Let me set the record straight here Okiehunter... I will stand by all the Team Realtree guys 100%... regardless what anybody thinks and when there toes started getting stomped on by people that have no idea on what in the world they are talking about...Then yhea, I will protect and serve... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdvantageTimberLou Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 Re: You have got to read this... [ QUOTE ] Hey Griz why don't you show his whole post and quit doing what you are accusing him of doing (crying). This kind of attitude is why I chose not to attend the realtree get togeather. [/ QUOTE ] okie if that is your stance then its your stance, your probably missing out on a lot of fun and seeing that you only have post 48 times on here tells me you really don't like these forums either. Sorry to hear that, this forum, the company that runs it (being Realtree) are top notch guys and gals in my book. Wish you would reconsider your stance, life is way to short to miss out on great opportunities like posting on here and making friends and attending get togethers with others on here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest okiehunter Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 Re: You have got to read this... I read these forums every day I just don't post the same ol same ol response that has been posted by the time Iget on here. See what pisses me off about what griz says here is not that anyone disagrees with him which at the bottom of his statement says he doens't expect you to agree with him. Its that when you come on here calling people names because you don't agree with them is childish and immature. If you don't agree with some one fine but don't go running to another forum and saying looky looky and hes a moron. Be a man and say it to his face and don't act like a kid and call him names behind his back. This kind of post made me lose alot of respect that I had for griz who I thought was a model guy but obviously I was wrong on that. That type of attitude is why I didn't go to the get togeather. As to realtree they are a stand up group of guys and put out great products but that is not what this post is about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 Re: You have got to read this... "Type of attitude" WOW, that is a strong statement from someone that has OBVIUOSLY not met any of the OTHER Oklahoma members here on the boards, (Not counting me, I KNOW I have a BAD attitude). These guys are some of the MOST upstanding people I could ever have the pleasure of meeting, and beleive me, I have met alot in my days. Obviously Griz has gained ALOT of respect here on RT, that is why people may tend to agree with him OVER you. Oh well, enough of my rant, I'm going sightseeing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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