IowaDeerHunter Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Been hearing some things about the world trade centers being demolition instead of actually collapsing on there own. I have no clue if I shouldbelieve it or not but watch this video and give me your thoughts. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7961056561589268281&q=Twin+towers+demolition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowtechTurkeyHunter Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Re: 9/11 theory. They already dismissed this ... it had something to do with hot Jet fuel going down the elevator shaft ... and the building imploaded onto itself ... its a theory just like anything I suppose .. not one I will ever put any stock into since I seen the jets fly into the buildings live ... and I seen the building colapse live ... something I will never forget and neither will my kids ... which I sorta have mixed emotions about ... Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaDeerHunter Posted September 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Re: 9/11 theory. OK I guess that does make sense, but I have never heard of this until now. And for the record I do not believe that we imploded the building. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowJoe Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Re: 9/11 theory. That's crazy and people need to just accept that there are people in this world that are sick enough to kill thousands of people because they believe in a different religion than them. Osama is sick and so are his followers. Accept it. It's like people are defending him in their own pursuit to punish President Bush. How can a man who was only in office for 9 months be responsible for a plan of at least 2 yrs? I recall Clinton being there before Bush and Clinton even had a chance to take out Osama and stopped it. Who's the moron. Look, this debate has gone on for years and it's not gotten anyone anything but angry. Save it for the political room and use common sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newarcher Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Re: 9/11 theory. No offense, but the idiots that are floating this theory and anyone who will give it credence are traitors. The people floating this stuff owe an apology to the families of and the people who were killed on that day. These slanderous and particularly demeaning putrid lies have already been disproven over and over again yet people keep floating them around.....almost as if they hope they are true. It is funny that the supporters who float this stuff act like they are engineers and when confronted with the facts say "I unno, I heard it on the net". F%$#$%$ idiots. Yet these same people will argue back and forth that Saddam had no ties to Al Qaeda (despite a laundry list of evidence) and will claim that the terrorist tracking programs are tracking regular everyday people. These same people say that Osama didn't do 9/11 and had no knowledge of it (despite videos showing him meeting with the hijackers pre-9/11 and taking credit for it later, PLUS MUCH OTHER EVIDENCE) and in the same breath say that our President perpetrated 9/11 to make his oil buddies rich. Do people have no shame? People that would give this credence raise my ire and make me want to fight someone. These fools would rather blame America and the PRESIDENT for this than the people who actually did it. New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NS whitetail Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Re: 9/11 theory. [ QUOTE ] No offense, but the idiots that are floating this theory and anyone who will give it credence are traitors. The people floating this stuff owe an apology to the families of and the people who were killed on that day. Do people have no shame? [/ QUOTE ] well put New ----- people can be so ignorant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterfisherman Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Re: 9/11 theory. I would have to agree with you all on this. It was a terrible thing and it was done by an evil group of people that hate American's. I don't believe any of the other stuff that is put out there. We should have more respect for the families that lost loved ones. Bin lauden and his group are to blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newarcher Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Re: 9/11 theory. I want to know what is driving this nonsense. Is it young people who tend to believe whatever they see and hear and then mindlessly repeat it? The universities (most of the people putting this stuff out there are college professors)? Such an intense hatred for George Bush that your pathetic lives must be filled with making things like this up? I am just sick of this. I will be glad when George Bush is out of office for many reasons. First, he isn't a Reagan fiscal conservative. Second, I think his economic trade policies have significantly weakened this Country. But most importantly, the freaking idiots that put this garbage out and keep spewing their hate Bush speak will finally have to SHUT UP. I have never seen a group of people so willing to throw our Country's safety and security under the bus...so to speak....just to try to harm the President. It is sickening. We are losing a war with a nameless, faceless enemy and we have a President doing everything he can to keep us safe and he is fighting half or more of our elected officials and half the Country's population in the process. Yet these detractors have absolutely no plan to keep us safe when they take away two of the best tools we had to prevent terrorism.....let me clue you in for those who might be left or Democratically leaning, "We hate George Bush" isn't a force field that will keep Al Qaeda from striking us. New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Re: 9/11 theory. [ QUOTE ] How can a man who was only in office for 9 months be responsible for a plan of at least 2 yrs? [/ QUOTE ] Much the same way that Clinton haters blame him for the first WTC bombing even thought he'd been in office a whole 3 months, when by the line of thinking of the 9/11 theorists it is Bush's fault. Hindsight is 20/20, and everyone has it. But it is nobodies fault, whatever is going to happen is going to happen. For whatever reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowtechTurkeyHunter Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Re: 9/11 theory. [ QUOTE ] But it is nobodies fault, whatever is going to happen is going to happen. For whatever reason. [/ QUOTE ] I beg to differ with this statement .... its the radical extreme Muslims fault ... I mean comes right down to it thats whos fault it is ... nobody makes them do these crazy things ... and in this case the blame needs to be put soley on the shoulders of the ppl who did it ... and are still doing it .... we as americans dont make them do these crazy things. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Re: 9/11 theory. I'm getting the feeling that New is upet about all this. It's not worth the ulcer man, lighten up. I will say though that, even as of last week, it has been concluded by our own Congress, that Saddam had no ties to Al Qaeda. I get tired of hearing all the conspiracy theories myself, but I take them with a grain of salt, there are always going to be people who believe that the WTC was imploded, that a military jet crashed into the Pentagon, that the moon landing was filmed on a sound stage, that JFK was killed by his own government, and that Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes new baby is a space alien. I take it all with a grain of salt, because it is entertainment, and people need something to justify their lives of which they have no other purpose other than to make stuff up. At least is gives us normal folks something to talk about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Re: 9/11 theory. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] But it is nobodies fault, whatever is going to happen is going to happen. For whatever reason. [/ QUOTE ] I beg to differ with this statement .... its the radical extreme Muslims fault ... I mean comes right down to it thats whos fault it is ... nobody makes them do these crazy things ... and in this case the blame needs to be put soley on the shoulders of the ppl who did it ... and are still doing it .... we as americans dont make them do these crazy things. Steve [/ QUOTE ] When I say it's nobodies fault, I mean more along the lines of blaming the government, ex-presidents, the boogie man etc. etc. Obviously it's the extremists fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newarcher Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Re: 9/11 theory. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] But it is nobodies fault, whatever is going to happen is going to happen. For whatever reason. [/ QUOTE ] I beg to differ with this statement .... its the radical extreme Muslims fault ... I mean comes right down to it thats whos fault it is ... nobody makes them do these crazy things ... and in this case the blame needs to be put soley on the shoulders of the ppl who did it ... and are still doing it .... we as americans dont make them do these crazy things. Steve [/ QUOTE ] I beg to differ with your begging to differ! America is partially to blame for 9/11. Yep, that's right, I just said that. We have been at war with islam for almost 50 years now...that's when the attacks started. Only through various administrations, including my personal political hero Ronald Reagan, we did NOTHING ABOUT IT. You can't put the blame on one administration and certainly not the administration that was in office for 8 months when it happened. This had been in the planning stages for YEARS. However, as it pertains to the 9/11 hijackers and Osama Bin Laden, Clinton probably could have prevented that attack. Jamie Gorelick in the Clinton administration put a policy in place at the urging of Clinton to prevent the FBI from sharing information because he was afraid the FBI would turn over information about Monica Lewinski. Likewise, Clinton had more than a few opportunities to take out Bin Laden and didn't because he supposedly hadn't done anything in America....despite the fact that he was an unindicted co-conspirator of the first WTC bombing. Sorry, there is no defending Clinton with respect to 9/11 but all administrations since pre-Carter are responsible for the rise of islamic violence. Finally, however, we engaged the enemy and not only are we fighting the enemy, we are having to fight half of our elected representatives who are doing everything they can to fight the president and weaken our Country as a result. Islam is a sham religion based on religious intollerance and hatred. It will never stop. Those of you going along spouting the party line of "it isn't islam, it is radical islam" had better do some research. I am not saying there aren't peaceful muslims. What I am saying is that there are two wings of islam....the PR wing that convinces everyone it is a religion of peace and the detonators. If you don't believe me, all you need to research is the Khartoum resolution from the 1960's and the Islamic Brotherhood. Islam is a religion of peace as long as you believe in islam and you aren't a jew..... New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newarcher Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Re: 9/11 theory. [ QUOTE ] I'm getting the feeling that New is upet about all this. It's not worth the ulcer man, lighten up. I will say though that, even as of last week, it has been concluded by our own Congress, that Saddam had no ties to Al Qaeda. I get tired of hearing all the conspiracy theories myself, but I take them with a grain of salt, there are always going to be people who believe that the WTC was imploded, that a military jet crashed into the Pentagon, that the moon landing was filmed on a sound stage, that JFK was killed by his own government, and that Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes new baby is a space alien. I take it all with a grain of salt, because it is entertainment, and people need something to justify their lives of which they have no other purpose other than to make stuff up. At least is gives us normal folks something to talk about. [/ QUOTE ] The first part of your reply is absolutely WRONG. Saddam has had a LONG history is ties with Al Qaeda from providing training camps to meetings with Al Qaeda leaders to various other activities. Now you begin drawing straws as to whether he participated, allowed it to exist, or simply tolerated it....but he knew it was there and didn't quash it. Here is a recent article: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51952 As for being worth the ulcer....you know I had that very thought just the other day. Only it was interrupted by a beautiful brown eyed girl that simply said "I wuv you daddy". It would be easy to just lay back and enjoy the simple life of hunting and fishing and doing a little work now and then. Just turn a blind eye and say "ah, there's nothing I can do about it". However, I can't do that. There is so much going on out there that never gets covered by the network news or the news blurb in between Country songs. There is a scandalous affront to our safety being perpretrated by the left out there all in an effort to discredit Bush. Country's safety be darned. I think that if the average stupid American could get their head out of Christine Aguillera's butt or quit worrying about who is winning an Emmy this season or what they are wearing on the red carpet, there would be a revolt out there. For the love of all that is good and holy, CNN had as the main page on their website on 9/11....I repeat on 9/11.....how there were many tributes going on amongst overwhelming anti-American sentiment out there. They can't even let the memory of 9/11 be sacred without putting out there that we are doing something wrong to make the world hate us. Ah well, I am just peeing in the wind here. It is hunting season and whatever other season that Americans are into and there is no time for issues and problems that affect whether we will get blown up tomorrow or the next day. One thing is certain as I talk about current events with my friends and family and co-workers. No one seems to support the crap that is going on but no one is motivated to change anything. We are doomed folks. New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Re: 9/11 theory. This is the story I was talking about: http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/08/iraqreport.ap/index.html Or you can read the entire report here: http://intelligence.senate.gov/phaseiiaccuracy.pdf Unfortunately, I don't have a little brown eyed girl to take my attentions away from the world. One day maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newarcher Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Re: 9/11 theory. One last thing with regards to surveillance and personal liberties.... I wasn't alive when the US Constitution was written. When it was written, there was no such things as elctricity, lights, computers, airplanes, email, cars, trains, nuclear bombs, biological agents, chemical warfare. Information and news moved at a snails pace. Wars were still between state sponsored armies. Just what do you think that the founding fathers would do if they were here today? Do you think they would defend America at all costs like the current administration is doing? Or do you think they would take the approach of modern day democrats that even if it means our very destruction, we can't do anything that would abridge the personal liberties of anyone in the US (even if that person is communicating with or sending money to and from terrorists overseas)? Enough said. New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Re: 9/11 theory. I'm not sure what the founding fathers would have done. I don't have a woulda, coulda, shoulda mentality to presume what people that have been dead for 200 years would have done. Maybe they would have done exactly what is being done now, or maybe their reaction would have been different. Who's to say. Maybe it wouldn't have happened at all, maybe if we were an isolationist country like we were pre WW1, then none of this would have happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newarcher Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Re: 9/11 theory. [ QUOTE ] I'm not sure what the founding fathers would have done. I don't have a woulda, coulda, shoulda mentality to presume what people that have been dead for 200 years would have done. Maybe they would have done exactly what is being done now, or maybe their reaction would have been different. Who's to say. Maybe it wouldn't have happened at all, maybe if we were an isolationist country like we were pre WW1, then none of this would have happened. [/ QUOTE ] I certainly do not think that the founding fathers, given the threats imposed by technology and islam, would allow the Constitution to be used as a methodology to allow our Country to be attacked and potentially destabilized in the name of personal liberties. They certainly would have tried their best to guarantee personal liberties but not at the expense of the very thing they fought and risked everything to create, OUR COUNTRY. You point out a very good fact.....our isolationist WWI mentality didn't work very well, did it? Nor did our pre-WWII policy of not getting involved. Unfortunately, we have enemies who have no sense of self worth or care about being a going concern. I think that if Iran could deliver a blow to Washington DC and take out our leadership at the expense of their entire Country being destroyed, they would do it in a heartbeat. We were forced into this war with islam by the muslims themselves through repeated attacks. We will either engage them and put a boot to their throats until it is done or we will suffer a devistating blow very shortly. New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Re: 9/11 theory. The conspiracy theory came about about pretty quickly after 9-11-2001. A shame that some people would come up with this crap when the whole world saw live video of what was taking place. Too many people watched it happen, too many videos and pictures for what took place to be anything more than some very sick people who hate our way of life trying to strike fear into this country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newarcher Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Re: 9/11 theory. I personally fear our elected leaders as much, if not more, than the terrorists. The ties of foreign governments are so entangled in our politics, it is scary. Our Supreme Court (elected by proxy) has taken to quoting international law in their decisions rather than our Constitution. tick tick tick, it is almost over folks. No democracy has lasted as long as ours throughout history....we are on our way DOWN. We are feasting upon ourselves while the enemies from the outside feast on us. My problem with the democratic side is not that they are engaging and talking about how best to defend the Country....they are up in arms that WE ARE defending the Country. What does that tell you folks? New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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