Texan_Til_I_Die Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 On the Today show this morning, the Rev. Jackson called for the end of the public use of the N-word by EVERYONE. This was prompted by the bizarre outburst last week from white comedian Michael Richards, but that was actually a very isolated incident. By far the most frequent use of the N-word is from black entertainers in comedy, rap and hip-hop. If a non-black person is going to be vilified for using a certain word, why shouldn't everyone, including blacks, receive the same treatment? Of course that may create a new problem for some black entertainers when they start running out of material for their acts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andrea Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... Cedric the Entertainer, Eddie Murphy, the late Richard Pryor, Bernie Mac, Chris Rock....................ALL say (said) the N-word and they ALL make ( made)fun of white people in their acts. But how many white comedians do you see making fun of blacks in their stand-up act?? You DON'T. And why not????? Because that would be racist. Sure, "Kramer's" outburst was not part of a comedy act but an attack aimed at the black hecklers in the audience. Inexecusable. He should have been more mature and refained from losing it on stage. Just makes you wonder what Eddie Murphy or Bernie Mac would have done in his place???????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... [ QUOTE ] By far the most frequent use of the N-word is from black entertainers in comedy, rap and hip-hop. If a non-black person is going to be vilified for using a certain word, why shouldn't everyone, including blacks, receive the same treatment? [/ QUOTE ] Because then they cannot cry about it and claim they are offended . Kind of on this topic, but not really, well maybe kind of: In recent news, Tennessee is having yet more problems with the "offended" group trying again to remove Nathan Bedfords name from a state park. Their claim is that the name offends them and they think they should not have to look at the name . There is no end to this kind of crap in sight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathcoerracin Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... [ QUOTE ] In recent news, Tennessee is having yet more problems with the "offended" group trying again to remove Nathan Bedfords name from a state park. Their claim is that the name offends them and they think they should not have to look at the name . There is no end to this kind of crap in sight. [/ QUOTE ] and thats all it is is crap. What if i said i was tired of seeing Martin Luther Kings name? How fast would someone have me in court? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... Who's Nathon Bedford? I was brought up believing the "N word" was a curse word and was not to be used. It was not in the same group of sh or he l l and most other 4 letter nasties, but in there with the GD and F words. Definately a no no around our house and should be everywhere regardless of your skin tone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamphunter Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... [ QUOTE ] Who's Nathon Bedford? I was brought up believing the "N word" was a curse word and was not to be used. It was not in the same group of sh or he l l and most other 4 letter nasties, but in there with the GD and F words. Definately a no no around our house and should be everywhere regardless of your skin tone. [/ QUOTE ] That is the most times I have ever seen dirty words disguised in one sentence on here! In regards to the "N' word. We went to a nightclub for my brothers bachelor party, and they were singing that crap. I asked a couple of friends if certain people in the room would be upset if I merely "sang along" with the lyrics... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... check me if I'm wrong here wtnhunt, but wasn't Bedford Grand Master of the KKK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... [ QUOTE ] check me if I'm wrong here wtnhunt, but wasn't Bedford Grand Master of the KKK? [/ QUOTE ] Nope, apparently Nathan Bedford Forrest was a highly decorated reble soldier who was very good at his job. I didn't see anything that made him particualarly racist other than being a confederate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... After the war, Forrest's reputation suffered due to allegations of brutality in the Battle of Fort Pillow, as well as his role as the first Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. For·rest (fôr'ĭst, fŏr'-) , Nathan Bedford 1821–1877. American Confederate general who was active at the battles of Shiloh (1862) and Chickamauga (1863). He was a founder and the first leader (1866–1869) of the Ku Klux Klan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... Im not even going to start with the native americans and what they have removed in our country.. I think evrybody is just far too politically correct these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJL Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... [ QUOTE ] On the Today show this morning, the Rev. Jackson . [/ QUOTE ] If you wasted one second of your life watching "Today" or if you actually believe that Jesse the ***** Jackson cares about anything but his pocketbook....................you have my sympathy. yes.I use the N-word, but, only when needed, most of the time it's not deleted by the self-righteous. JJL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... i have one question! you can not say the n word but cracker,whitey,the man, and white trash are not censored? i wil stick to my beliefs that the most descriminated person on this planet is the blue collar working class male. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... History is history, if it offends you then ignore it. No one is forced to read a name at a park nor should it cause them any ill effects, and the idea of them filing lawsuits over such really is absurd but it is happening. No one is forced to read the commandments on the wall at the courthouse, yet they too are being removed because someone cries about being offended. The aclu and the I am offended groups are growing in this country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... [ QUOTE ] History is history, if it offends you then ignore it. No one is forced to read a name at a park nor should it cause them any ill effects, and the idea of them filing lawsuits over such really is absurd but it is happening. No one is forced to read the commandments on the wall at the courthouse, yet they too are being removed because someone cries about being offended. The aclu and the I am offended groups are growing in this country. [/ QUOTE ] So, you see nothing wrong with honoring a man who founded an organization who's soul principal was hunting down and killling people based on nothing more than their race? And you also don't understand how people, who happen to be the same race as those who were killed by this man and his fellow KKK members, can get offended that he was honored in this way? I really struggle to understand how we cannot discuss our favorite beer on this forum, yet this type of overt discrimination is allowable?? If someone could please explain it to me, I'd be happy to listen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted November 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... Good discussion, but we've drifted away somewhat from my original point in this post, which was to illustrate the double standard that is currently being applied to people of different races. Right now, it's OK for a black entertainer to repeatedly use the N-word, but let it come out of a white person's mouth, no matter how innocuously, and that person will immediately be pilloried by our politcally correct society. Whether sincere or not, Jesse Jackson had it right when he said that it's either OK for everyone to use that word, or no one should use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... There is a double standard. It is pretty sad really. muggs, my point is that what has been done has been done. Changing the name of the park does not change history nor does it make right what was done. History is just that and changing a name and whining and crying only creates more seperation and tension. What really does it do to remove something you dont like? Whether you agree or not it is the exact same prinicipal by which God is being removed from our schools and courts. Someone cried they were offended and did not want to see it, so they cried enough and eventually some liberal minded judge decided they were tired of the whining and said it has to go. When does it end. Unless I am mistaken the people who are complaining got their freedom, and their equal rights, but that is not enough. They continue on pushing more and more and the aclu and the ignorant liberal judges are changing to accomodate them while taking away from others who may not want the change. Whose rights are more valuable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... wtnhunt, I see your point, changing the name won't change history...but changing the name also won't change the park, so what's the harm? I don't think the founder of the KKK should honored in anyway...and I thinks its pretty ridiculous that a park is named after him. True, he was also a great General, but his affiliation with the KKK has ruined his legacy if you ask me. Think of it this way. OJ Simpson was, at one time, a legendary NFL runningback, but since then...lets just say, his legacy has been tarnished as well. Now what if a group of African Americans named a park in honor of him? Wouldn;t that offend you? Would you want to live in a town that was home to OJ Simpson Park? I know I wouldn't...I'd petition to have the name removed...I suspect you'd feel the same way too. Now, what if you publically said that park's name should be change and the African American community called you a "whiner" or a "crier"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... [ QUOTE ] Think of it this way. OJ Simpson was, at one time, a legendary NFL runningback, but since then...lets just say, his legacy has been tarnished as well. Now what if a group of African Americans named a park in honor of him? Wouldn;t that offend you? Would you want to live in a town that was home to OJ Simpson Park? [/ QUOTE ] LOL. Nice analogy. So long as it is in Watts or somewhere around LA, I really could honestly care less. Does not change my life in one way or another and has no effect on me. Why on earth would I complain about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Think of it this way. OJ Simpson was, at one time, a legendary NFL runningback, but since then...lets just say, his legacy has been tarnished as well. Now what if a group of African Americans named a park in honor of him? Wouldn;t that offend you? Would you want to live in a town that was home to OJ Simpson Park? [/ QUOTE ] LOL. Nice analogy. So long as it is in Watts or somewhere around LA, I really could honestly care less. Does not change my life in one way or another and has no effect on me. Why on earth would I complain about it. [/ QUOTE ] No, I'm saying you live in the town with the park. You drive by it every day on your way to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... So I drive by the park so what. There are parks in the town south of here where the parks are predominantly black, and the crime is high in them. I would avoid them personally if I could, but so it has a name on it, I dont have to look at it. I drive by signs I dont agree with from time to time, but I dont whine about them. I think you guys might want to read a litte more of the link that John posted here on the history of Nathan Bedford, the excerpt Steve attached left out a few things. I will copy it here for you. [ QUOTE ] It was during this time that he became the nexus of the nascent Ku Klux Klan movement. Bedford states, but should not be counted as fact, "There were some foolish young men who put masks on their faces and rode over the country, frightening negros, but orders have been issued to stop that, and it has ceased. You may say, further, that three members of the Ku-Klux have been court-martialed and shot for violations of the orders not to disturb or molest people." Bedford was later acclaimed at a Nashville, Tennessee, KKK convention (1867) as the first Grand Wizard, or leader-in-chief of that organization. In an 1868 newspaper interview, Forrest boasted that the Klan was a nationwide organization of 550,000 men, and that although he himself was not a member , he was "in sympathy" and would "cooperate" with them, and could himself muster 40,000 Klansmen with only five days' notice. He stated that the Klan did not see blacks as its enemy so much as "carpetbaggers" (northerners who came south after the war ended) and "scalawags" (white Republican southerners). However, violence against blacks by the organization was pervasive. Wikisource has the Text of an 1868 interview with Nathan Bedford Forrest. Because of Forrest's prominence, the organization grew rapidly under his leadership. In addition to aiding Confederate widows and orphans of the war, many members of the new group began to use force to oppose the extension of voting rights to blacks, and to resist Reconstruction-introduced measures for the ending of segregation. In 1869, Forrest, disagreeing with its increasingly violent tactics, ordered the Klan to disband, stating that it was "being perverted from its original honorable and patriotic purposes, becoming injurious instead of subservient to the public peace." Many of its groups in other parts of the country ignored the order and continued to function. Subsequently, Forrest distanced himself from the KKK. [/ QUOTE ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... [ QUOTE ] So I drive by the park so what. There are parks in the town south of here where the parks are predominantly black, and the crime is high in them. I would avoid them personally if I could, but so it has a name on it, I dont have to look at it. I drive by signs I dont agree with from time to time, but I dont whine about them. I think you guys might want to read a litte more of the link that John posted here on the history of Nathan Bedford, the excerpt Steve attached left out a few things. I will copy it here for you. [ QUOTE ] It was during this time that he became the nexus of the nascent Ku Klux Klan movement. Bedford states, but should not be counted as fact, "There were some foolish young men who put masks on their faces and rode over the country, frightening negros, but orders have been issued to stop that, and it has ceased. You may say, further, that three members of the Ku-Klux have been court-martialed and shot for violations of the orders not to disturb or molest people." Bedford was later acclaimed at a Nashville, Tennessee, KKK convention (1867) as the first Grand Wizard, or leader-in-chief of that organization. In an 1868 newspaper interview, Forrest boasted that the Klan was a nationwide organization of 550,000 men, and that although he himself was not a member , he was "in sympathy" and would "cooperate" with them, and could himself muster 40,000 Klansmen with only five days' notice. He stated that the Klan did not see blacks as its enemy so much as "carpetbaggers" (northerners who came south after the war ended) and "scalawags" (white Republican southerners). However, violence against blacks by the organization was pervasive. Wikisource has the Text of an 1868 interview with Nathan Bedford Forrest. Because of Forrest's prominence, the organization grew rapidly under his leadership. In addition to aiding Confederate widows and orphans of the war, many members of the new group began to use force to oppose the extension of voting rights to blacks, and to resist Reconstruction-introduced measures for the ending of segregation. In 1869, Forrest, disagreeing with its increasingly violent tactics, ordered the Klan to disband, stating that it was "being perverted from its original honorable and patriotic purposes, becoming injurious instead of subservient to the public peace." Many of its groups in other parts of the country ignored the order and continued to function. Subsequently, Forrest distanced himself from the KKK. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] OJ says he didn't kill anyone...I don't buy that either. A guy doesn't just get accused of founding the KKK without reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... Sorry for hijacking your post here Texan, I have gotten off the original topic. You are right that there is a double standard, and no matter what people of other races can get away with, white people will be ridiculed and labeled as racists if they happen to slip and repeat the same words used so frequently by those who are of other races. Think that is very wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... Making the word more Taboo only empowers it and makes it MORE offensive. It wouldn't even be an issue if no one cared or got violent and emotional when they heard it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WhiskeyMan44 Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... Am I really reading about how 15 white guys/girls are sick of a double standard and being discriminated against? There are double standards everywhere. Part of life. Is it fair? No. But how many double standards do white people hold up to anyone else of a different race? A white guy and a black guy interview for a job. If the white guy gets it, white people will claim he was clearly more qualified and deserved the job. If the black guy gets the job, white people cry foul and injustice because it was clearly affirmative action, he was obviously not as qualified and only got it because he was black. Granted that was a general statement encompassing all white people into that stereotype, but then again so is claiming all black entertainers use the word and make money only because of that use of the word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted November 30, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... [ QUOTE ] Am I really reading about how 15 white guys/girls are sick of a double standard and being discriminated against? [/ QUOTE ] Yes. I'm sick of ANY double standards and ALL discrimination. Why is that difficult to comprehend? [ QUOTE ] There are double standards everywhere. Part of life. Is it fair? No. But how many double standards do white people hold up to anyone else of a different race? [/ QUOTE ] None by this white (with a few other races mixed in) guy. [ QUOTE ] A white guy and a black guy interview for a job. If the white guy gets it, white people will claim he was clearly more qualified and deserved the job. If the black guy gets the job, white people cry foul and injustice because it was clearly affirmative action, he was obviously not as qualified and only got it because he was black. [/ QUOTE ] I think quotas (affirmative action) and job discrimination both fall into that same category of unacceptable practices. All hiring decisions should be totally color blind. That's always been my practice in the past and will continue with all future job applicants I interview. [ QUOTE ] Granted that was a general statement encompassing all white people into that stereotype, but then again so is claiming all black entertainers use the word and make money only because of that use of the word. [/ QUOTE ] I don't recall claiming that all black entertainers were making a living using the N-word. I've never heard Bill Cosby, Whitney Houston, or Will Smith use it. But their skill may rise to a somewhat higher level than others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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