mike Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... [ QUOTE ] Am I really reading about how 15 white guys/girls are sick of a double standard and being discriminated against? There are double standards everywhere. Part of life. Is it fair? No. But how many double standards do white people hold up to anyone else of a different race? A white guy and a black guy interview for a job. If the white guy gets it, white people will claim he was clearly more qualified and deserved the job. If the black guy gets the job, white people cry foul and injustice because it was clearly affirmative action, he was obviously not as qualified and only got it because he was black. Granted that was a general statement encompassing all white people into that stereotype, but then again so is claiming all black entertainers use the word and make money only because of that use of the word. [/ QUOTE ] so are you saying that racial quota's for job preference does not happen? the white folks complaining about it is hear say but racial qouta's do exsist! that is fact! can you image the uproar if there was quota's demanding how many white people have to be hired! bad things happen to people all the time! white or black! if it happens to a white guy its tuff luck tuff times, if it happens to another race its discriminating!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gitcha_some Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... [ QUOTE ] i have one question! you can not say the n word but cracker,whitey,the man, and white trash are not censored? i wil stick to my beliefs that the most descriminated person on this planet is the blue collar working class male. [/ QUOTE ] couldnt agree more why isnt there a national association for the advancement of white people? why isnt there a national white college fund? why isnt there a tv network called white entertainment? the list goes on and on oh and the answer to all three of those questions is because that would be racist!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... Some very interesting points in this discussion, and guess i am not the only one who is guilty of stepping slightly outside the original topic here . [ QUOTE ] why isnt there a national association for the advancement of white people? why isnt there a national white college fund? why isnt there a tv network called white entertainment? the list goes on and on oh and the answer to all three of those questions is because that would be racist!!!! [/ QUOTE ] Yep, that is exactly it. It is also ok for blacks to have black only schools, but that is not discrimination against whites or other races . Turn it around to there being schools that would not allow any other race than whites and well, think we all know what type of outcome would come from that. As for colleges with quotas, it happens, the president of this country even addressed this issue with university leaders I believe in MN back in his first term. Blacks with equivalent or lesser scores do get better opportunities, no one can tell me otherwise as I have seen first hand. Will never forget in high school a good black friend of mine when looking at our act scores told me if he had my scores he would have a full ride to FAMU(a school that unless I am mistaken only accepts black students). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest michael_bolton Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... The world would be a better place without Jesse Jackson or the ACLU....reverse discrimination shouldn't be acceptable but is today because people are so afraid of being thought of as "Racist". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowhammer Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... Down here in Alabama I know that the blacks do get a break when they are applying for a statetrooper job. If the most that you can make on a test is a 100 the whites have to make at least a 95 to pass but the blacks only have to make a 80 to pass. Now let me say I do not know what the acctual numbers are but I hope you get the idea. I have been told this by more than one white statetrooper. If I remember right a few years back there was an all black college that was fighting tooth and nail to keep white folks out. These same people was fighting tooth and nail to get black folks in an all white college. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... [ QUOTE ] yes.I use the N-word, but, only when needed, [/ QUOTE ] Ummm, when exactly is it needed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... i would say that is never "needed"!!! but if i am being atacked"racially", or someone calls me whitey,cracker,or whatever,whats the difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... [ QUOTE ] If I remember right a few years back there was an all black college that was fighting tooth and nail to keep white folks out. [/ QUOTE ] Dont know about the fighting, but am pretty certain there are still some schools out there who do only accept blacks. Kind of surprised the latinos have not yet cried about this issue being that they too in recent years are getting more vocal about their equal rights and about discrimination and being offended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WhiskeyMan44 Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... The difference is Whitey or Cracker really hold little or no significance. They werent words used for decades to rip away a race's self-respect nor to make them feel like second class citizens. Black people are allowed to use the N word because they had turned a word with negative meaning into a term of endearment, a negative into the positive. Do I feel the term is overused and unnecessarily used? Yes. But so is the F word that me and my buddies throw around every Friday night while drinking beer. If you're offended by being called whitey or cracker, you're taking yourself way too seriously. Of course that's just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sskybnd Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... well this is op on this, we did do a great unjustest to them by bringing them over here to be our slaves, but however all the stuff could have been avoided by lincon after the civil war was over. by loading up all the boats that we had and ship them all back to africa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... [ QUOTE ] well this is op on this, we did do a great unjustest to them by bringing them over here to be our slaves, but however all the stuff could have been avoided by lincon after the civil war was over. by loading up all the boats that we had and ship them all back to africa. [/ QUOTE ] "we" did not bring them over here, at least my family did not. As for the boats, Lincoln had he not been assassinated might very well have done just that. History lessons can be interesting and there are some pretty controversial theories on Lincoln plans on just what you mention here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] yes.I use the N-word, but, only when needed, [/ QUOTE ] Ummm, when exactly is it needed? [/ QUOTE ] Kinda' what I was thinking sluggo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... [ QUOTE ] well this is op on this, we did do a great unjustest to them by bringing them over here to be our slaves [/ QUOTE ] First of all I don't think any of us are old enough to have brought over any slaves. Secondly, slaves were not captured by the white man and brought over here. Many were criminals, prisoners of war, or sold by their own tribe or even family. Slavery was everywhere, the U.S. just found a way to make it more efficieant and cost effective. I've got a good friend who is black and was talking about people crying foul play on the slave trade. He said that 99.99% of black people are 100X better off here than if they were in africa. He said the only difference between his family and mine being here is mine had a choice and his didn't, but neither one of us did. As for his opinion on the "N-word". He says it's offensive and shouldn't be used. I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WhiskeyMan44 Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... [ QUOTE ] well this is op on this, we did do a great unjustest to them by bringing them over here to be our slaves, but however all the stuff could have been avoided by lincon after the civil war was over. by loading up all the boats that we had and ship them all back to africa. [/ QUOTE ] Just a ridiculous statement. How's the KKK treatin ya? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sskybnd Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... i want to say this, my parents didnt either nor my grand parents, but that was said in general the white man.weather they were sold or criminals, it was our boats, not the indains, nor the blacks, but the white mans, and i want to say this i hold no malace towards any one, my years in the military, ive stood beside them and considered them as equal, and know there blood runs just as red as mine, but i think to call one a -n- is just bad upringing. and ingnerace on that persons part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... who's them? we talkin' about cattle or people here bud? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckbuster11 Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] well this is op on this, we did do a great unjustest to them by bringing them over here to be our slaves, but however all the stuff could have been avoided by lincon after the civil war was over. by loading up all the boats that we had and ship them all back to africa. [/ QUOTE ] Just a ridiculous statement. How's the KKK treatin ya? [/ QUOTE ] Ditto. Personally I'd really like to know how some of the responses in this thread are allowed yet threads about our favorite beers get deleted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] well this is op on this, we did do a great unjustest to them by bringing them over here to be our slaves, but however all the stuff could have been avoided by lincon after the civil war was over. by loading up all the boats that we had and ship them all back to africa. [/ QUOTE ] Just a ridiculous statement. How's the KKK treatin ya? [/ QUOTE ] I may be wrong here. But I think that is an historically accurate statement. I have heard that Lincoln did plan on sending a good number of former slaves back to africa. It's not a very nice statement, but giving an historical reference I don't belive constitutes being a member of the KKK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] well this is op on this, we did do a great unjustest to them by bringing them over here to be our slaves, but however all the stuff could have been avoided by lincon after the civil war was over. by loading up all the boats that we had and ship them all back to africa. [/ QUOTE ] Just a ridiculous statement. How's the KKK treatin ya? [/ QUOTE ] I may be wrong here. But I think that is an historically accurate statement. I have heard that Lincoln did plan on sending a good number of former slaves back to africa. It's not a very nice statement, but giving an historical reference I don't belive constitutes being a member of the KKK. [/ QUOTE ] Historical accuracy aside. People are referring to the tone of that statement and the word choice more than anything. There's also no way to argue that many of these statements show true racist feelings from a lot of members. That is not something I would imagine Bill Jorban would want associated with his brand. I've heard several times, from administrators, moderators, and other members that this is a family site. So we have to closely watch what we say, as well as topics we discuss, in order to keep this a family friendly site. I think we also want to provide a good example for young members. I fail to see how allowing someone's racists fews to stay posted on a this public forum is OK in light of that standard. I guess Realtree is a great site...unless of course you're black and were not yet "shipped back to Africa." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... I agree with what you are saying muggs about keeping a clean, respectable sight. I didn't read the racism into his tone myself. I may be wrong. Maybe he should clarify that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted December 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... [ QUOTE ] I agree with what you are saying muggs about keeping a clean, respectable sight. I didn't read the racism into his tone myself. I may be wrong. Maybe he should clarify that. [/ QUOTE ] I didn't read it as being racist either. When I read that statement, what came to my mind was this question: "Would the black population of this country be better off today if they had been repatriated to Africa after the end of the Civil war?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WhiskeyMan44 Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... I dont see how one could read that statement and not read into a racial tone. Let's just ship them back to Africa like a sweater that doesnt fit, like they survived so well on the boat rides over. When slavery ended they were free men and had some choice over living in America or going to Africa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... Of course if you look at it on the other side and wander what africa would be like now if they had a huge influx of well educated people with skills that were unknown to the contenent at the time. Say what you will about the slave trade and slavery, it was a bad thing and a black eye in the history of our country. It did result in a lot better life style and education level for the vast majority of it's victims. With minds like George Washington Carver, Martin Luther King and countless others in place in Africa they would have made the contenent a better place for everyone over there. If Lincoln had lived and sent them back we could have had the same type relationship with the African countries that we do with the European countries. Now don't try to read any racism into my statement. There isn't any there. I'm just wandering "what if". Most of my favorite students are black as is one of my closest friends here. I think that some people want to see things as racist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... I am a bit curious as to who is being labeled a racist here, everytime a topic such as this comes up seems there are some who throw that label around rather quickly which in my opinion may be a little pre judgemental. As for the comments, when discussing a topic and bringing history in which is what has been done, how does that reflect, the history that is, that the person who brings it up is doing anything more than just that???? If someone makes the comment on what they THINK should have been done or how they should do then maybe you can read into what they are saying, but my opinion is that labeling someone as a racist for bringing historical statements into a discussion is wrong. When they elaborate and give their opinions, maybe then you can attempt to make assumptions about that person, still not something personally I would encourage or do myself. [ QUOTE ] There's also no way to argue that many of these statements show true racist feelings from a lot of members. [/ QUOTE ] I would really like to know here who the persons being referred to as racist are here muggs, please pm me and let me know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... Let me start off by saying that I completely agree that there is a double-standard in this country today, and that the white race is being forced to walk on egg shells while other races do not come under the same scruntity from the media, special interest groups etc... Read this sentence (and by no means do I mean this as an attack on the poster, and I'm also not saying this the poster is racist...but I am saying that the remark is racist): "by loading up all the boats that we had and ship them all back to africa." What are they, cattle...just numbers, what? Do they get a say in the matter...or are we gonna just ship them to all parts of the world based soley on only what serves our purposes the most? Now read this: "but however all the stuff could have been avoided" What stuff could have been avoided? People not wanting to hear a word that was created out of hatred. No offense, but if I were black, I know I wouldn't want to hear a white person saying the N-word. That being said, if I were black, I wouldn't want to say that word, or hear it from other blacks either...and I think that how its used by some black people isn't right...ridiculous actually. I just don't see how this topic can create a problem for anyone. Especially, a problem large enough that someone would think it would be a lot better if we would have just "shipped them back to Africa" to avoid it all together. To me, that line of thinking is racist without a doubt.(call me crazy). With that rationale...heck, let's just move all over the darn place...whatever works for us, forget that they might actually have an opinion on the matter (said in jest). Statements such as those show an underlying belief...and its obvious (to me anyway) that that belief isn't exactly fair, right, or just and is most definitely racist. To go a step further, such statements are then read by younger members, and don't think that's right. If Bud Light is not an appropriate topic for discussion on this forum, I don't think this should be either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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