muggs Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... Well, I guess if people are gonna keep calling me out by name, I can't help but defend myself. [ QUOTE ] I totally disagree with you as well, throwing around the term racist without any real proof shows lack of class. Sometimes those that are afraid of being called racist and quick to call others are the ones that wonder if they are themselves. [/ QUOTE ] No offense, but no newbie should come in and rip a member who's been here. Not to mention, he obviously registered just to slam me for lacking class...is that the kind of contribution you'd like to see from new members to the forum? If he wouldn't have personally attacked me, he would get all the breaks from me he could stand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUGARKAHNE Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... [ QUOTE ] No offense, but no newbie should come in and rip a member who's been here. Not to mention, he obviously registered just to slam me for lacking class...is that the kind of contribution you'd like to see from new members to the forum? If he wouldn't have personally attacked me, he would get all the breaks from me he could stand. [/ QUOTE ] So it's wrong for a newcomer to make "personal attacks" against a longterm member, but it's okay for you to say that there are a lot of racists here? That sounds like a personal attack to me. Here's the double standard again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... I think he read your post and called it the way he saw it. Do I get more latitude on here just because I've been on here? The guy gave his opinion and did it in a rather intelligent manner. You know maybe this whole Lincoln thing is something that has been handed down through Southern Universities and Northern ones decided to ignore that little side note, who knows. I think everyone who has said anything about that reference has also said that the slaves were given a great injustice. How is that racist? No one said they should be sent back now. That's just crazy talk. CRAZZZZY ESSEY!!!! Another thing that I have noticed just through life is that for the most part, Southerners are more comfortable talking about race issues and are more honest about how things are. We don't don't make appologies for how things are or were but we do acknowledge them. If being honest and speeking realistic is racist then so be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... LMAO...now I'm the only one making personal attacks? And what is the obcession with this whole Lincoln and history arguement? I think I've said it enough times that I could care less about that...its not what I'm referring to... and as for it being the basis of your collective arguement...its beyond weak. I guess its hard to see the forest from the trees as they say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... [ QUOTE ] LMAO...now I'm the only one making personal attacks? And what is the obcession with this whole Lincoln and history arguement? I think I've said it enough times that I could care less about that...its not what I'm referring to... and as for it being the basis of your collective arguement...its beyond weak. I guess its hard to see the forest from the trees as they say. [/ QUOTE ] Well what the heck are you talking about then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... these statements are what I'm talking about John. [ QUOTE ] Im not even going to start with the native americans and what they have removed in our country.. yes.I use the N-word, but, only when needed, most of the time it's not deleted by the self-righteous. The world would be a better place without Jesse Jackson Kind of surprised the latinos have not yet cried about this issue being that they too in recent years are getting more vocal about their equal rights and about discrimination and being offended. but however all the stuff could have been avoided by lincon after the civil war was over. by loading up all the boats that we had and ship them all back to africa. [/ QUOTE ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest michael_bolton Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... Whether I have two posts, 2000 posts, or 2 million posts, it doesn't take a genius to figure out you enjoy accusing others, obviously because of a lack of intelligence or courtesy. That is my opinion, and as far as I can tell it seems to be reality as well. Do yourself a favor and stop digging yourself a hole, we can only look so far down on you before you disappear from sight. I'm sure you are a good guy, but you need to lose the chip off the shoulder and argue about something worthwhile like global warming or poverty......I'm sure the great Jesse Jackson is okay without you backing him up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest michael_bolton Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... By the way, don't be jealous when WTN HUNT and John F and some of the others get invites to the next Michael Bolton concert and you get overlooked!!! In my opinion it doesn't get any better than when Michael Bolton sings When a Man Loves a Woman.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... Why can't we all just get along? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... muggs, it is your careless way of pointing fingers suggesting other members on here are racist that has brought this on. You in this thread have come right out and said that a lot of members are being racist or making racist remarks. You are the one who stirred this up in the first place if I am not mistaken. You really think it is right for you to attack others and them not to answer. For the last set of quotes of which you lumped together from different posters, I don't agree with the poster who suggested they use n when it is appropriate, but also don't agree with what whiskeyman says in his post in here about using the f-word loosely, ignorance is ignorance what is the difference there. My remark about latinos you left out part and did not elaborate on how that is a racist remark. Try reading a post ALL the way through and understanding it before continuing on with your assumptions. [ QUOTE ] Don't know about the fighting, but am pretty certain there are still some schools out there who do only accept blacks. Kind of surprised the latinos have not yet cried about this issue being that they too in recent years are getting more vocal about their equal rights and about discrimination and being offended. [/ QUOTE ] Is a black school that will not allow any other minorities including latinos not in some way discriminating. PLEASE do tell me and everyone else here, how in the world you arrive at me saying this as being anything racially biased or discriminating. In the future muggs I would also suggest that if you want to suggest something using quotes, maybe should elaborate just a little on why you think as you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WhiskeyMan44 Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... WTN, after I read your initial post, I personally perceived you to have racial tendencies. Now correct me if I am wrong, but in a much, much earlier post, did you not add "Interracial Couples" into the "Bad Influence" pile? A combination of that with a statement supporting, or "pondering" if that makes you feel better about it, about Lincoln sending freed slaves back to Africa would lead a good number of people to suggest you are a racist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... WhiskeyMan, you are reading into something that is not there buddy. I am a realistic person and I have seen a lot in my short lifetime. I speak things how I see them, sometimes some people who might not pay attention, read all the way through, or listen closely and they might get the wrong idea, and on more than one occasion I have said things that could have been misconstrued as a result of the way I worded what I said, and when I did I openly apologized. I have however not in this thread nor in any in the past said anything in any way derogatory or degrading to anyone based on race. I have not ever claimed to be superior nor have I said anything to give the impression I hate anyone. Taking comments in some cases completely out of context on a public forum and turning them into allegations about anothers character is getting really old here and I am a little surprised this has been allowed to go on as long as it has. My comment you are referring to was that in the school system here where there were more lower income families and mixed children from interracial couples and interracial couples in the high schools, there was a higher crime rate, more teen pregnancies, and more drug problems. I made a correlation to what IS real here right now. Just so happens academically that school system is falling behind as well. That school system is not a good a school system and I do not want my children going to those types of schools if I have a choice and just so happens I do, and the schools my kids are in is one of the best school systems academically in this area. I made an observations and yes I said something about it. For this you judged me and called me a racist? Anyone sees something along these lines and acknowledges it and actually says something about it must by your standards be a racist. Anyone who references a historical theory or plan in regards to slaves you call them a racist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... "Tell me how am I supposed to live without you Now that I've been lovin' you so long How am I supposed to live without you How am I supposed to carry on When all that I've been livin' for is gone" Anybody got a tissue? Man, that's moving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... wtnhnt...I don't answer because I'm busy having a life on the weekends, sorry bud. Anyway, I've never once called any member a racist. I did say some of these remarks are racist...which I'll stand bye. I was careful not to point the finger at anyone. If I was careless...I would have brought up the geographic location of the people I'm debating against. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WhiskeyMan44 Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... wtn, I never said you were a racist. I did say that people reading those comments could easily get the perception that you are a racist. And I see how you are correlating the tendencies of the lower income community. However, interracial couples or a higher black population probably has less to do with the high crime rate, poor living standards, or the failing educational system and more to do with the economy in the area and lack of funding/proper instruction at that school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... [ QUOTE ] And I see how you are correlating the tendencies of the lower income community. However, interracial couples or a higher black population probably has less to do with the high crime rate, poor living standards, or the failing educational system and more to do with the economy in the area and lack of funding/proper instruction at that school. [/ QUOTE ] As a teacher in an area like you're describing I can tell you honestly that poverty and low education level is color-blind. The lifestyle and moral standards are pretty much the same accros all boundries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathcoerracin Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... actually whiskeyman, its a fact, around here anyways, that the higher black populated areas have a much higher crime rate than the majority white neighboorhoods bud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WhiskeyMan44 Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... heath if you can back that up with proof showing that the higher crime rate is the direct result of a higher black population, then you have a point. But I'll bet the areas you are referring to have lower-income families living in them, and I'd venture guesses into the quality of law enforcement in those areas. Correct me if I'm wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... [ QUOTE ] heath if you can back that up with proof showing that the higher crime rate is the direct result of a higher black population, then you have a point. But I'll bet the areas you are referring to have lower-income families living in them, and I'd venture guesses into the quality of law enforcement in those areas. Correct me if I'm wrong. [/ QUOTE ] "When 70% of the people who get arrested are black, in cities where 70% of the population is black, that is not racial profiling, it is the Law of Probability." makes sense to me Please refer to this thread http://www.realtree.com/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/1129692/an/0/page/0#Post1129692 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathcoerracin Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... whiskeyman, i did a lil research to look up the crime rates between my city which is predominantly white and a black community nearby. The cities are almost the same size with mine being bigger, and the black neighborhood had 3,863 crimes reported while my city reported 2. These were for the year of 2004. Pm if you want the sources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest michael_bolton Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... After all this talk of the great Jesse Jackson I decided to do a little more research into this great civil rights worker......... really wasn't impressed too much with a lot of his views or personal issues. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Jackson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathcoerracin Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... oh yeah..hes a winner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hunter36 Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... Jesse Jackson is a waste of time to even talk about. All Ill say about him is that he sticks his nose in things just to be noticed. Double standards exist in almost every aspect of life. Everyone in this country ha a chance to do great things no matter income. yeah it may be harder but if they really cared they would try. This country has to stop backing away from situations because it may seem politically incorrect to fight againts them. The N-word is the least of our problems (for or againts). How about drugs and illegal aliens. We should take those two groups and send them back where they came from. Every last one of them. p.s. there is a direct correlation with crime rates and # of hunting licenses sold. So lets all go hunting and drop the finger pointing and judgment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest michael_bolton Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... I agree.... watch out on the illegal alien thing though, Muggs might come out on that one!!! ha ha. How about we increase the list to also mention murderers, thieves, abusers and child molesters?? that would make me feel a lot better knowing they weren't around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted December 20, 2006 Report Share Posted December 20, 2006 Re: I Agree With Jesse Jackson... [ QUOTE ] I agree.... watch out on the illegal alien thing though, Muggs might come out on that one!!! [/ QUOTE ] Look out for Captain Comedy guys, with zingers like this, its easy to see what a sharp wit this guy has ey?? (wink, wink, huddla, huddla). Again DB, I mean MB...your type shows your true hypocracy...if only you had enough sense to realize it. Anywho, you guys make some good points on the illegal immigrant topic. But don't you think there's more important issues facing this country right now? How about maybe the war in Iraq? I know Bush is a bass fisherman...but is that really enough reason to support this guy's war effort over there? Oh well, keep starring like zombies at those TV's of yours. I'll be here anytime you all need a dose of reality. Later tators. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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