Canadian_Goose Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 What would be the mininum fts/lbs that you would need to hit a moose with to ensure adaquete penetration with a .30 cal bullet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 Re: Min energy [ QUOTE ] What would be the mininum fts/lbs that you would need to hit a moose with to ensure adaquete penetration with a .30 cal bullet. [/ QUOTE ] What's an OTPG member doing asking about "minimums"??? We don't go there I would say you're 300 Win Mag would have sufficient energy to do the job. Probably wouldn't want to shoot beyond such a distance as where you'd have below 1500 ft/lbs or so. Just my guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 Re: Min energy Don't know anything abou moose, but I would think at least twice what's recomended for deer. That would be 2000lbs. I'm just guessing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleA Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 Re: Min energy Here's a young bull that kept messing with the alfalfa pile on a recent Saskatchewan deer hunt. It and a few others just wouldnt leave me alone , so this is what I wanted to do. Rifle is a Rem 40X in 300 Wby taken through a Leupold 8.5x25x50. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 Re: Min energy You should be ok with the same standards used on elk. While I have no first hand experience, everything I have read, says that moose are easier to bring down than elk. I would set the minimum about 1500 ft/lbs of energy using a bullet of decent construction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_Goose Posted January 4, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 Re: Min energy [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] What would be the mininum fts/lbs that you would need to hit a moose with to ensure adaquete penetration with a .30 cal bullet. [/ QUOTE ] What's an OTPG member doing asking about "minimums"??? We don't go there I would say you're 300 Win Mag would have sufficient energy to do the job. Probably wouldn't want to shoot beyond such a distance as where you'd have below 1500 ft/lbs or so. Just my guess. [/ QUOTE ] I just want to know i I can ethically attempt a 400 yard shot, if i do my part as the shooter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 Re: Min energy Goose........ FWIW.....my pet handload for our 300 Win Mags is a 180 gr. Speer Grand Slam flatbase at 3050 fps. That load drops below our arbitrary (although probably pretty reasonable) ft/lb lower limit of 1500 at 530 yards. So, I'd say you're good to go at 400 with a bullet of good construction and decent B.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_Goose Posted January 4, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 Re: Min energy See right now I have three rounds loaded for the gun. For deer I use either the 150 grain pro hunter by serria or the 165 gr BTSP by hornady. And the new moose load I just cooked up is a 220 gr interlock backed by 72 gr of Reloader 22. I want to try the barnes MRX but none of the retailers carry them up here and Cabelas will not ship them this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 Re: Min energy [ QUOTE ] See right now I have three rounds loaded for the gun. [/ QUOTE ] Wow, you had better not miss if you plan to zero, shoot a deer and a moose with only 3 rounds. personally, I would load at least a box. But hey, I like your positive thinking! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 Re: Min energy I'd opt for something 180 or 200 grains and weel built for your best downrange ballistics and the ability to wade shoulder bones. Your 150 and 165 will probably be a bit on the light side except for broadside ribcage shots at the longer distances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_Goose Posted January 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 Re: Min energy I wouldn't think of using the 165 or 150 on moose. Aj I'm sorry but I only have 3 brass and haven't been able to upgrade.. thats all the reloader came with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_Goose Posted January 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 Re: Min energy ps ... I'm saving the environment here AJ .... geeze! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeramie Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 Re: Min energy [ QUOTE ] I wouldn't think of using the 165 or 150 on moose. Aj I'm sorry but I only have 3 brass and haven't been able to upgrade.. thats all the reloader came with [/ QUOTE ] Ebay... Typically you can get once shot commercial brass (Winchester, Rem, etc) very cheap.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 Re: Min energy LOL! Actually, I would not hesitate to use a 165 gr Partition or Barnes on a moose from a 30-06 or .300 Winnie Mag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_Goose Posted January 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2007 Re: Min energy These rounds are just cheapies though... so are u saying the 180 gr MRX will do a good job on moose? Will it do sufficient enough damage with regards to wound channel etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowana Posted January 6, 2007 Report Share Posted January 6, 2007 Re: Min energy A 180 Grain Bullet fired from a 300 Win Mag will handle any animal in North America with the exception of big bears (Browns and Griz). My Nosler reloading Manual puts the 300 Win at abour 3100 fps with a 180grain bullet. Most 180 grain 30 cal bullets have a ballistic coefficient of .460-.500. This makes them very fast down range. A 30 cal 180 Gr bullet with a BC of .470 (started at 3100fps) will still be traveling at 2000 fps around 600 yards. This still produces around 1700 foot pounds of energy. More than enough. Actually, Moose and Black Bears are not any harder to kill than a whitetail. I shot a bear in Montana with a 30-06 Ackley Improved at about 300 yards. No Movement at all...right through the boiler. I have had some trouble with Bull Elk, but found them. This year I used a 338-378 Weatherby...now that puts the hammer down! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_Goose Posted January 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2007 Re: Min energy Well I don't what kind of moose you hunt, but the ones here will stand in the sam spot after getting shot through the lungs and then trot off. Guys here land up blowing a shoulder because they think they didn't hit on the first shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 Re: Min energy That's no different than many of the deer I have shot. By destroying the lungs, the animal dies from the inability to get oxygenated blood to the brain. It takes a little while to pump that much blood into the chest cavity. I have seen a video of a guy shooting a nice bull elk at close range (under 50 yards) 3x with a 7mm Rem Mag and on the first 2 shots it just stood there. All shots were in the vitals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_Goose Posted January 8, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 Re: Min energy and I am concerned with the destroying part... I don't want to make a pin prick in this animal... or (Strut advert your eyes) am I overkilling it here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 Re: Min energy I'm no expert by any stretch of the imagination, but I wouldn't think a few shots through the ribs is going to be a bad thing. Destroying the the lungs would be prefereable to me than going through the shoulder and blood shoting the shoulder meat. The more damage to the lungs, the faster it goes down. Destroyed lungs = shorter tracking and dragging jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_Goose Posted January 8, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 Re: Min energy I know, I wasn't referring to the shot placement but instead the wound channel. What I"m concerned with is will my 180 gr Barnes bullet cause enough damage with a single shot through the ribs, to kill a moose within a reasonable distance. The last thing I need is this thing running a 1/4 mile into the swamp and dying. Keep in mind this is relative to my other option of a 220 gr round nose. now question two- If I was to take a non-preffered shot at a moose (ie: head on or shoulder) will the 220 round nose hold together long enough to damage the vitals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 Re: Min energy [ QUOTE ] ... I don't want to make a pin prick in this animal... or (Strut advert your eyes) am I overkilling it here? [/ QUOTE ] I saw it. Now, tell me Goose..............when did you ever see a big game animal killed "too dead"???? As far as the 180 vs 220 debate on penetrating the rough stuff........I believeit's more a question of bullet design than bullet weight. Get yourself a TSX or Partition or Grand Slam, etc. I would avoid, at all costs, the Accu-Bond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_Goose Posted January 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Re: Min energy The thing I'm worried about is if I rib shoot a moose with a 180 grain MRX or rartrition will it expand enouygh to cause lethal damage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Re: Min energy Oh.......I should think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Re: Min energy Oh yeah, it will do the trick. The Partition will open up like any soft point bullet but the wall in the bullet keeps enough weight to drive the bullet deep.The Barnes will mushroom and drive it deep also. I am about to try some of the poly tipped ML bullets in my Savage smokeless ML to get the best long range elk load I can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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