Texan_Til_I_Die Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/president/ Interesting site. Here's what I learned from it. If just 900,000 people had voted differently in the key states of Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, Ohio, Indiana, Iowa, New Mexico, Colorado and Nevada, we would have a President elect McCain. Now 900,000 may sound like a lot, until you realize that there were 124,333,149 votes cast. 900,000 is only 7/10 of 1% of the total. I still think it all comes back to the money. If McCain hadn't been outspent by a 7 to 1 margin in those key swing states, it might have turned out differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 Ok. Here you go. Take a look a rural counties for yourself. http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/president/ Here are a few I looked up where I would bet my paycheck that a very large % of voters are hunters or in hunting families. Pike, IL. -- Obama 40% - McCain 58% Fulton, IL Obama 60% - McCain 38% Buffallo, WI - Obama 57% - McCain 42% Lee, IA - Obama 58% - McCain 41% Adams, OH Obama 37% - McCain 61% Kleberg, TX Obama 53% - McCain 46% Pretty cool map. Interesting to note... Obama did not win even one county in Oklahma...some of you should seriously consider moving to the sooner state or the Texas Panhandle. Just kidding so don't blow any gaskets but it is interesting. First off that's OKLAHOMA. But what does that tell you about us Okies???? LOL!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andrea Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 Muslims worship the same God as Christians do.... That is incorrect. Better re-read your Quran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/president/ Interesting site. Here's what I learned from it. If just 900,000 people had voted differently in the key states of Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, Ohio, Indiana, Iowa, New Mexico, Colorado and Nevada, we would have a President elect McCain. Now 900,000 may sound like a lot, until you realize that there were 124,333,149 votes cast. 900,000 is only 7/10 of 1% of the total. I still think it all comes back to the money. If McCain hadn't been outspent by a 7 to 1 margin in those key swing states, it might have turned out differently. Think the potential for a different outcome was there had there not been voter intimidation, voter fraud, and absentee ballots from military members that were not counted. No telling how many votes acorn was able to push through that should never have been counted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocMort Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 Think the potential for a different outcome was there had there not been voter intimidation, voter fraud, and absentee ballots from military members that were not counted. No telling how many votes acorn was able to push through that should never have been counted. Exactly how many Dallas Cowboys players lived in Ohio? How many mickey mouses voted? The military for the most part voted McCain but you can bet that those are the votes that didn't get counted... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mach1 Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 Many of my friends are working class and in union jobs so that probably explains a lot. The overwhelming majority of the working class people I know voted McCain, me and my family included. Also from what I've be told about the unions around these parts, if you're union, you better go in and punch the "D" for all offices regardless of who's the candidate. McCain signs far outweighed Obama signs in my rural area. Probably half the Obama signs I saw were in the yards of run-down single-wide trailers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceArcher Posted November 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 Why is that that people in unions support democrates? What county do you live in? Lets take a look at the map and see how people voted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 Pottawatomie County, Ok. Look for yourself, I ain't skeered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mach1 Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 The county I live in - 58% McCain (~7800 total Presidential votes) The county I work in - 56% McCain (~5000 total Presidential votes) The county I grew up in - 53% McCain (~8100 total Presidential votes) In our state, as long as the corrupt Chicago Dems are in control, a rock with a "D" next to it would win. Cook & the collar counties control this state. The rest of us don't matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 Check out Oklahoma, NO BLUE AT ALL!!!!!!!!!:D:D:D:D And look at the places that are in blue, bet it isn't hard to figure out where these areas are and what they stand for:mad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 Why is that that people in unions support democrates? What county do you live in? Lets take a look at the map and see how people voted. I think that is a generalization Ace and I think you need to answer us that question. For grins the county I live in voted 64 percent McCain with 13,516 votes to 35 percent Obama with 7,406 votes. Obama won a total of 5 counties in this state, no great surprise he won Shelby, Haywood, or Hardeman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mach1 Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 I think that is a generalization Ace and I think you need to answer us that question. I know I brought up the unions punching the "D" and I'll answer with the information I've been told around here. *Note: This is second hand from a reliable source. There are union members who support the GOP, but they blindly vote "D" straight down the ballot because of fear that they will lose their job if they don't because the Dems control the union. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceArcher Posted November 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 The county I live in - 58% McCain (~7800 total Presidential votes) The county I work in - 56% McCain (~5000 total Presidential votes) The county I grew up in - 53% McCain (~8100 total Presidential votes) In our state, as long as the corrupt Chicago Dems are in control, a rock with a "D" next to it would win. Cook & the collar counties control this state. The rest of us don't matter. People from Chicago didn't vote in county did they. But over 40% of people in those counties did vote for Obama. Probably a few sportsmen in there considering the size of your county. Do you disagree? And the my Union question was rhetorical. Poeple in unions vote mostly for democrates b/c democrates support workers rights and the rights of workers to organize. If you are blue collor worker in the this country and vote for a republican you ought to have your head expamined. If anyone can give me an example of Republicans defending workers then I will be amazed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pendog Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 People from Chicago didn't vote in county did they. But over 40% of people in those counties did vote for Obama. Probably a few sportsmen in there considering the size of your county. Do you disagree? And the my Union question was rhetorical. Poeple in unions vote mostly for democrates b/c democrates support workers rights and the rights of workers to organize. If you are blue collor worker in the this country and vote for a republican you ought to have your head expamined. If anyone can give me an example of Republicans defending workers then I will be amazed. The point is i dont want to be defended just left alone!!! The dems always want to defend everyone from everything, man what we need defended from is them. It is good business to make all of us need them, they like us to be waiting for their handouts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nativetexan Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 Bobby Jindal is one of the Republican Party's golden boys. The NRA loves him. Check out his policy and the recent laws passed in LA on gun ownership. I'll be keeping my eyes on him. I would suggest you do too instead of trying to figure out how Obama got elected. What's done is done. Now what are we going to do about it? Ace, You spelled democrats wrong in one of your last posts, and that is about all that needs to be said to counteract your attempts at getting us to move to the left. It's not Obama by the way, it's everyone that supports him and put him in office. To think they don't have an agenda that Obama will help them fulfill is foolish. Your theory that "X" amount of sportsmen voted for Obama still does not, in any way, compare or even remotely equal those who voted for McCain or someone else. If I were you, I would hit the books and figure out if your vote was for you or your country, because honestly, what is the real reason for trying to get us to see your way when we have no plans on changing our way of thinking? Sounds to me like a bit of insecurity about your choice and you are wanting acceptance. I would also recommend viewing bills online as they head to the hill by subscribing to an alert system. You might read one's like this.... http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2008/Bills/A2500/2116_R2.HTM or if you want a full on recount of exactly how many gun bills were introduced over the last year (or forever really) you can do so here: http://thomas.loc.gov/bss/d110query.html simply type in "firearms" and click search... Read a few and look at the names who wrote and co-sponsored them then tell us who do you think is more likely to enact firearms legislation that would result in the disarming of the people. That's pretty cut and dry fact right there. You can check the constitution and bill of rights for a multitude of fascinating reasons why the people should not be disarmed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csualumni21000 Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 Who cares about religion. I would vote for Paton as a senator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csualumni21000 Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 AA the right to work laws favor unions because it allows them to compete against the unskilled worker and shows people how much better it is to have union workers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 People from Chicago didn't vote in county did they. But over 40% of people in those counties did vote for Obama. Probably a few sportsmen in there considering the size of your county. Do you disagree? And the my Union question was rhetorical. Poeple in unions vote mostly for democrates b/c democrates support workers rights and the rights of workers to organize. If you are blue collor worker in the this country and vote for a republican you ought to have your head expamined. If anyone can give me an example of Republicans defending workers then I will be amazed. Careful Ace, you are doing what you got onto another member here for. Plenty of blue collar workers support republicans and plenty of working class members here supported McCain. The republicans are who gave the working class people more of their money back through tax cuts after Clinton raised taxes. The dems wanted to give more to those who did not pay anything in to the government. Hard to believe we are back on this again and in a thread that started about Bobby Jindal. As for the union question, the question was answered by Mach1 exactly how many people in this country do feel. There are most certainly people who feel threatened by unions. Some places unions really are not welcomed. Ace, You spelled democrats wrong in one of your last posts, and that is about all that needs to be said to counteract your attempts at getting us to move to the left. lol,:D Tominator would have a field day with spelling and grammar down here.:eek: Have noticed lots of spelling errors, some misspelled repeatedly and some are quite humorous really. Some of us working class gun owning folks who cling tight to our guns and religion may need to have our heads exampined;)(by your view), but least we can spell. lol:rolleyes::D:D btw I really do know how to spell examined. Even though it is off topic, also have to add/ask Ace, why do you continue to ignore Obama's voting record where it is brought up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mach1 Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 (edited) People from Chicago didn't vote in county did they. But over 40% of people in those counties did vote for Obama. Probably a few sportsmen in there considering the size of your county. Do you disagree? Of course people from Chicago didn't vote in my county, I live 3+ hours from there and they have their own county to vote in (Cook). In the counties I mentioned, there are probably sportsmen that voted for the anti-gun BHO, some not, but people/sportsmen I know and have spoken with were completely against him. Some voters more than likely union, some not. Some that voted for BHO will be direct recipients of his "social" programs, some not. Point is, he doesn't represent the majority of the counties in our state, and as long as Chicago is part of IL, the Dems will control this state. Heck our governor has a less than 15% approval rating and is being turned on by a lot of members of his own party, but he would probably still get elected because he's a Chicago Dem. And the my Union question was rhetorical. Poeple in unions vote mostly for democrates b/c democrates support workers rights and the rights of workers to organize. If you are blue collor worker in the this country and vote for a republican you ought to have your head expamined. If anyone can give me an example of Republicans defending workers then I will be amazed.I consider myself a blue collar worker and wouldn't vote for a Dem, especially not BHO or HRC. Don't/Didn't like either. If you are a gun owner/sportsman and voted for an anti-gun, Chicago Democrat Obama you ought to have your head examined. Edited November 14, 2008 by Mach1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamphunter Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 Sounds to me like a bit of insecurity about your choice and you are wanting acceptance. Agreed... Too be honest, I doubt "Ace" is even a hunter to begin with, probably some PETA activist coming in here to push his political views, and I can't even see where he is worth debating with at this point. He condescending with his tone and probably nothing but a troll who I will soon add to my "ignore user" list. If everyone added him to the same list, it could really get lonely in here after that and he could debate all by himself. I am looking forward to seeing "banned" under his name once his name calling and sarcasm gets to the mods a bit more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawg Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 Who cares about religion. I do, just as there are a lot of people who do. Even though it is off topic, also have to add/ask Ace, why do you continue to ignore Obama's voting record where it is brought up? Good question William. Pray tell Ace? Agreed... Too be honest, I doubt "Ace" is even a hunter to begin with, probably some PETA activist coming in here to push his political views, and I can't even see where he is worth debating with at this point. He condescending with his tone and probably nothing but a troll who I will soon add to my "ignore user" list. If everyone added him to the same list, it could really get lonely in here after that and he could debate all by himself. I am looking forward to seeing "banned" under his name once his name calling and sarcasm gets to the mods a bit more. I think Swampy is having banning withdrawals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamphunter Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 I think Swampy is having banning withdrawals. Awww, you guys know me so well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nativetexan Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 One of the coolest things about Bobby Jindal is the recent law that was passed in LA ensuring the right of people who carry on their way to work can leave their firearms locked in their vehicle on company property that is publicly accessed. So...what if it is not publicly accessed? Well, they thought of that too. The company must provide a place for storage of unloaded firearms, or provide alternative parking areas for people who choose to carry. The law also releases companies from civil liabilities should something happen when all of the conditions above are met. Which is the way it should be. Good stuff. Louisiana Senate Bill 51 The Employee's Rights Protection Act went into effect in August of 2008. I also read on the NRA site that Ray Nagin finally admitted to the illegal confiscation of firearms after Katrina hit. Now there is a fine example of the Democratic Party's intentions. The facts are there.... I recently started watching the HBO special John Adams...In one scene, Adams says "Facts are troublesome things." I think that pretty much sums up the thinking in someone's arguments. However, the difference is no matter how "troublesome," the facts cannot and should not be avoided. The democrats have done a fantastic job of "tap dancing" around the facts, choosing only to listen and acknowledge what they want to hear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceArcher Posted November 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 The original point of this post was to ask whether some of you could support a canadite such as Bobby Jindal. If he is a true fiscal conservative then in my opinion he will likely have a good chance for the GOP in 2012. I admit that I really know much about him but what I wondered if people would attack him based on his race, question his relegion or say he is Un-American b/c his parents were not born in this country. This thread has gotten a little off track but oh well. This is a part of Realtree that is a political furum where I thought deer/turkey hunters could debate the political issues as they stood today without getting nasty and attacking peoples tenure, spelling or legitamacy as a hunter. This doesn't seem to be the case and I will limit my posts (perhaps none) in this area from here on out. Sorry that some of you got your tail feathers so ruffled but I will try to be sensatve in the future. As for me as a hunter I have killed well over 50 deer in my lifetime...first one at 11 and I am 30 now....I have several bucks over 140 inches and one over 160 but must admit that I am still chasing my first booner. The turkey I killed this spring (I don't like to brag but I got called out)...but he was an absolute monster... weighed 27.5 lbs, had 11.5 inch beard and 1 1/2 inchs spurs. I am not much of a turkey hunter and would have much rather killed a deer of that caliber. Hopefully that is good enough for a couple of you. Oh well...good luck to all of you chasing deer this week. Our shotgun season is next weekend and I know I need a little luck this year..all you you have probably put a vodoo hex on me for supporting Obama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogwild63 Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 (edited) North Texas Association of Public Employees USWA, Local 9487 I voted for McCain. There are alot more issues that are important to me than just labor laws. I usually vote my enduring values over my pocket book regardless of what the USWA says. I work in a place where 95% are Democrats and have no problem letting you know they are Democrats. They know I vote Republican. When President Bush won his first term, my coworkers anger was quite apparent in their non-verbal behaviors. I said nothing about it for about 2 weeks. When he won the second time, they were quite verbal in their anger. I walked on egg-shells for 2 weeks. For the last eight years, they have not missed an opportunity to let me know when a Republican messed up. Now they are smug and condescending, much like you. I have taken it for the last eight years. Now their savior has arrived; everything will be righted and the world will be a better place. Hope springs eternal. So you are being attacked. Poor me. I say big deal. Get over it. You do not have to threaten to no longer post in the political forum. Your status as a hunter was in question as this board often has anti-hunters posing as hunters to stir the pot. There are usually clues such as misspelled words while trying to articulate in an intellectual manner in order to educate the less informed. They also usually appear on the forums when hunters suffer a political defeat. The original question of this thread is a loaded question designed to stir the pot. What did you expect? You baited the discussion. "but what I wondered if people would attack him based on his race, question his relegion or say he is Un-American b/c his parents were not born in this country." Either you choose words "attack him based..." carefully or you are not aware of your condescending tone. If he is a true fiscal conservative, I doubt he is the only fiscal conservative from which to choose. I do not have to disqualify him on any of those areas "in question". If I am uncomfortable with his race, religion or heritage, I can choose another fiscal conservative to support. I do not have to "attack" him. If you eally want an example of ppl attacking candidates, you only need to look back on the Democratic primaries. Please consider the fact that those of us that voted for McCain and OUR enduring values, do not need our heads examined or are less informed as you are. And seriously, good luck in shotgun season. I hope you get a big buck. Edited November 17, 2008 by hogwild63 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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