MH517, you were asking about Bemans. I shot Easton Epic 400's until 2 years ago when they changed them to the slimmer version to be more like the Axis arrows. The old epics are almost identical to the Beman ICS 400's, so i changed without hesitation. A few of the guys shot beman ics 400's so i shot them plenty over the years and couldn't tell any difference at all shooting, didn't even have to move any pins. And i'll be shooting them again this year.