yea ik but then i was sure it was the poundage and arrow speed but basically now thinking about it i think it was just the bow all around it was a old bow i think it was just worn out and i think that because it was a good shot if it penetrated then it would have been center lungs and it was a 22 yard shot but this bow i have now is faster im still at about 200 fps but the other one was only probably about 140 so im just going to do what you said and that was just a bad experience thats all it is. Thanks very much for your 2 cents and that makes 1.05 now i can go buy an arizona sweet tea lol but seriously thank you very much