johnf Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 I was at the Bass Pro Shop in Bossier LA yesterday and they had some 120 Gr. Positive Expanding Point for my 25-06. Has anyone had any experience with this type bullet. I picked up a box and am planning on taking them out to see what kind of pattern they shoot. AJ, I'm expecting some feedback on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
too_pointer Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 Re: Positive Expanding Point John, who made the bullets ? too_ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 Re: Positive Expanding Point Well, I can not say how they perform on anything as I have not shot them. I have not shot much centerfire factory ammo in a long time. I did look them up on Winchester's web page. They say "Super-X® Positive Expanding Point: These bullets are specifically designed for extreme accuracy and maximum impact on varmints and medium-sized game." They are a hollow point design but with a slightly thicker jacket so they will expand but now blow up on pronghorn/deer sized game. I would venture to say if you shot a deer in the shoulder with these, its going to leave a big hole. They are offered in 90 and 120 gr loads. By the looks of the ballistics, they do fly pretty flat. I would like to see how good they shoot. Please keep us informed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted June 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 Re: Positive Expanding Point These are factory Winchester Super X bullets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted June 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 Re: Positive Expanding Point [ QUOTE ] They are a hollow point design but with a slightly thicker jacket so they will expand but now blow up on pronghorn/deer sized game. I would venture to say if you shot a deer in the shoulder with these, its going to leave a big hole. [/ QUOTE ] I generally shoot behind the shoulder and try to take out both lungs. Actually I've never shot a deer directly in the shoulder, usually about 3 inches back. I'm guessing this would be the ideal bullet for that kind of shot placement. Would that be a good asumption? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robk Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 Re: Positive Expanding Point if it were me i would go with the ballistic tip bullet you get a better penetrating and expanding bullet with the ballistic tip. the deal behind the power positive point is it a slower opening bullet than say a soft point or ballistic tip and they won't make the same entrry and exit holes of the soft point or the ballistic tips. i in my opinion would go with the ballistic tip for deer and even for smaller animals and for bigger animals i would say the best would be partition or similar type bullet rob k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted June 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 Re: Positive Expanding Point [ QUOTE ] if it were me i would go with the ballistic tip bullet you get a better penetrating and expanding bullet with the ballistic tip. the deal behind the power positive point is it a slower opening bullet than say a soft point or ballistic tip and they won't make the same entrry and exit holes of the soft point or the ballistic tips. i in my opinion would go with the ballistic tip for deer and even for smaller animals and for bigger animals i would say the best would be partition or similar type bullet rob k [/ QUOTE ] You seem to be cotradicting AJ here, or maybe I'm reading you wrong. Could you explain. BTW part of the reson I got these is that I wanted more bullet than the 100 Gr. PSP bullet that Wal-Mart has, but I don't want to spend $25 a box for ammo. It's been my experience that a deer doesn't seem to know the difference between a $14 box of shells and a $30 box, but my wife sure does. Ballistic tips are out of the question for that reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 Re: Positive Expanding Point [ QUOTE ] I generally shoot behind the shoulder and try to take out both lungs. Actually I've never shot a deer directly in the shoulder, usually about 3 inches back. I'm guessing this would be the ideal bullet for that kind of shot placement. . Would that be a good asumption? [/ QUOTE ] Yep, it is. Deer are not armour plated. They are typically not that hard to bring down. Yes they can run a ways till the oxygen in the brain is depleted but that's got nothing to do with the bullet. These bullets will kill a deer as dead as any other. They should expand rapidly but since they have a slightly thicker jacket than a varmint bullet, they will penetrate deeper. You should still get pass throughs on broadside shots. The hole may be rather large, at least on the exit side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted June 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 Re: Positive Expanding Point I've only had 1 deer run over 30 yards with a shot like that. It was a doe 2 years ago and she went 50 yards from a double lung shot with a 30-30. Do you see them go further than that. BTW that 50 yards was through think brush and it took me an hour to find her and another hour to drag her out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 Re: Positive Expanding Point I have had deer go 100+ yards after being double lung shot with my 300 Wby Magnum. The lungs had a hole in them and the front right shoulder had an exit hole you could stick your fist in. It still ran 100 yards. Typically, they run about 50 yards after being shot with a lung/heart shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_218 Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 Re: Positive Expanding Point What ever happen to the good 'ole "SilverTip" bullets Winchester loaded for years and years? This was one of the best Deer Bullets (especially in a .30-30 or .308) I don't think much about the new "silvertips" at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted June 9, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 Re: Positive Expanding Point [ QUOTE ] What ever happen to the good 'ole "SilverTip" bullets Winchester loaded for years and years? This was one of the best Deer Bullets (especially in a .30-30 or .308) I don't think much about the new "silvertips" at all. [/ QUOTE ] I shoot 150gr silvertips in my 30-30. If they made one for the 25-06 I would use them. If I don't want to spend $25 a box I have to get shels at Walmart. The only thing that they carry is a 100gr remington corelock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 Re: Positive Expanding Point [ QUOTE ] The only thing that they carry is a 100gr remington corelock. [/ QUOTE ] They will kill game as dead as any other bullet will. The 25-06 is not a screamer in velocity with big game bullets so a "premium" type bullet is not needed. A normal plain jane spoft point will work just fine as long as it shoots decently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
too_pointer Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 Re: Positive Expanding Point I have used core-locks for many years. They are cheap, accurate, and do the job on deer. I tried some federal Premiums, and for the extra price, not worth it. too_ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeWalker Posted June 11, 2005 Report Share Posted June 11, 2005 Re: Positive Expanding Point [ QUOTE ] I would venture to say if you shot a deer in the shoulder with these, its going to leave a big hole. [/ QUOTE ] That's a big 10-4.. I always keep a box handy......I prefer Noslers, but really like the power of these on exactly what you said...deer and antelope.......if it is big, I like to make sure it is going down..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Feaster Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 I recently inherited a Model 700 25-06 after my uncle died. While I was going through his ammo, I found a box of Winchester Positive Expanding Point ammo. My uncle knew what he was doing cause they grouped about a quarter size group @ 200 yd. I shot a 50# hog last week right behind the shoulder with one of these, and it totally destroyed both lungs, perforated his heart, blew open his diaphragm and liquefied his liver. There was no liver anywhere that I could find, just a bunch of thick, viscous dark blood. It looked like a little bomb went off inside that hog's chest. It tore up the rib meat on the exit side, but never made it through the hide. After a good cleaning out with the water hose, the hog ate pretty good, but I won't use it again on an animal that I plan to eat. Just too much potential for ruining meat with a big exit or one of those fragments tearing open some gut and making a mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbHunterNY Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 I have had deer go 100+ yards after being double lung shot with my 300 Wby Magnum. The lungs had a hole in them and the front right shoulder had an exit hole you could stick your fist in. It still ran 100 yards. Typically, they run about 50 yards after being shot with a lung/heart shot. Yea I've doubled lunged deer and had them go 100 yards. If I can I usually try and put another one in the same spot and that knocks them down. They will kill game as dead as any other bullet will. The 25-06 is not a screamer in velocity with big game bullets so a "premium" type bullet is not needed. A normal plain jane spoft point will work just fine as long as it shoots decently. if you can get your gun to shoot them accurately then they have the best terminal performance it seems. i've used other types of bullets from all kinds of brands that work but not as well. the PEP type bullets work for the most part like Berger style bullets. the idea is all, if not most, the energy is dissipated within the animal for the most nock down power. i don't use them, because i process my own deer and it takes more work and trimming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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