maytom

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  1. Re: Carbon or Aluminum? Seeking Opinion [ QUOTE ] I'm wishy-washy ---- I shoot the Easton ACC's (aluminum/carbon composite) .... I think it's the best of both worlds. [/ QUOTE ] I "use" to shoot ACC's as well, BUT, with that aluminum core, they will bend just like a regular aluminum arrow!! Also, at $100.00+ a dozen for ACC's, I don't want to worry that my arrows will bend at all!! Go to pure carbon arrows such as Beman, Gold-Tip, Easton Axis, ect. Carbon is the way to go!!
  2. Re: I\'ve got the .17HMR itch! [ QUOTE ] I heard that. I scratched my itch earlier this year and bought a CZ 452 Varmint chambered in 17 HMR. I made a post on it a while back but you can see it by clicking here. It's a fun little round. [/ QUOTE ] Like AJ, I also picked up a CZ-452, but the American in the .17HMR. I love this gun, very well made!! The only thing I've noticed is that when I went with a 3X9 scope, I found that it's not enough scope for the power and range of the little .17HMR. So, I ended up getting a 6X18 power a few weeks ago so I can see the target much better at 100+ yards away!! This is one awesome little round for sure!!
  3. Re: Stylus Flashlight Those lights work awesome!!! I seen them in action this past spring turkey season, and I'm now a proud new owner of one myself!! The green color is the way to go!!
  4. Re: Which One Should I Get... [ QUOTE ] Hey Griz, I have the Lazer 440. One thing you got to remeber your in Oklahoma. Not many places you will shoot up to 600 yards. I would go with the Nikon Ranger finder 440. Its cheaper and is a very awesomee finder. I owed on for about 3 years never changed the battery and lost it. I then bought another one last year cause i love it so much. Nikon you cant go wrong [/ QUOTE ] I agree!! The Nikon Prostaff Laser 440 rangefinder is the way to go. It's water resistant as well, compared to the rest out there in this price range.
  5. Re: ATV MUFFLER SILENCER I think it's a great idea as well, and might take the plunge and get one myself.
  6. Re: Backpack alternative [ QUOTE ] I take way too much gear with me to use a little fanny pack...lol. I use a little larger day pack...if hunting a fixed or ladder stand...just throw it on my back. If I'm taking my climber (loggy) I also strap it to the stand to carry in. The good thing with the loggy stand is...the stand and climbing aid are two parts and everything folds flat and the climbing aid lays on top of the stand. Then there are two bungy cords to strap the climbing aid to the stand...I lay my pack in the center hole and criss cross the bungy's to hold the climbing aid and pack to the stand...everything neat and flat. I've even strapped extra jackets under the cords to carry to the tree. [/ QUOTE ] Well stated!! A back pack is the way to go. I hate fanny paks mainly because they always seem to drop down your waist when wearing them. Been there, done that route.
  7. Re: Drag rags and Scent trails. Worth it or not? [ QUOTE ] I feel this is a good tactic but I have had mixed to poor results. One problem I think I have is that by the time I go threw the fields and the woods, my rag is soaking wet from morning dew and/or wet snow, etc. I know a deers nose is awesome but to me I feel its a waste to drag a scent trail if your rag gets soaked like that. Deluted for sure. I then just put drops of the stuff on my boots but again the wet grass and snow seems to wash it away. I went to Tinks69 Scent Bombs and saw that work once out of 100000000 times using them. I then tried heating the scent bombs and "I" could smell it form very far away but still did not see "amazing results". I have tried all sorts of stuff too with simular results. Is all this scent trail and scent bomb stuff really worth it? Last year I went total without using scent or lures and got my 3 deer still. Nice to do it without the $30 to $40 spent on scents. I think back and find it really has not gotten one deer for me... Yes I feel its worth it if your in the right area and use it at the right time, but to me its still a pain and not worth the $$$ to maybe raise your chances at a deer. JMO How do you lay down scent trails or use scent and lures? [/ QUOTE ] I'm getting away from scents altogether myself. Like you, I've had very little success over the years when using them. Most times, it's usually a small fork horn that shows any interest at all!!! This year I'm hunting without any scents at all. I'd rather put my money towards new equipment.
  8. Re: What are your thoughts? [ QUOTE ] If you were going on a hunting trip and the drive to get there is 12-13 hours long, when would you leave? Would you leave the day before early in the morning and get a good night sleep? Or start out driving the night before only to jump out of your truck and start hunting right when you get there? Everyone has their preference what is yours? My preference is to get a good night sleep if you are going to be hunting a full day. But that might not happen when we go on our archery antelope hunt. [/ QUOTE ] I agree 100%!! Leave the day before!!
  9. Re: Switchback comin which rest? Another vote for the Trophy Ridge DropZone rest!!
  10. Re: Block Target Is Going Bad Already!!! [ QUOTE ] I don't care what anybody says, the block targets are not meant for broadheads....and both the block and black hole don't stand up to field points like I expected either.......their new 6-sided target may be the way to go......but there's also some great broadhead targets out there now........I suggest getting one for each....a target for broadheads and one for field points... [/ QUOTE ] I highly disagree!!! These kind of targets are meant to shot with "BROADHEADS"!!! I do agree that by using a different target for fieldpoints would be a better way to go. The Morrel eternity target is an awesome target for using field tipped arrows only, and will last you many years!!
  11. Re: What do you think of these horns? Freak rack for sure. Look's more Non-Typical to me. I'd cull that buck just to prevent him from passing those crappy genes around.
  12. Re: Whisker bizcuit or drop away.....? I went with a Drop away rest for this year. A W/B will work probably better in a pure "stalking" sense, since it will prevent your arrow from falling off your bow. But, from a pure accuracy standpoint, it tuff to argue with a drop away rest!!
  13. maytom

    Bug Spray

    Re: Bug Spray You have to try a Therma-Cell unit. They now make two models, one for controlling insects, and now a new one called Therma-Scent for use with deer lures. I've been using the Therma-Cell unit now for two years while turkey hunting, and it works awesome. You can use this for deer hunting as well, since it doesn't omit any odor that spooks deer. http://www.mosquitorepellent.com/
  14. Re: Turkey Roosts They don't roost in the very same tree forever, but they do roost in the same general area. A gobbler picks a certain spot to roost because he wants his morning gobbles to cover as much area as possible for the hens to hear him and come in. Ever notice when one gobbler gets harvested, another bird will use the very same area. They pick those certain roosting spots on purpose.
  15. Re: NY and rifles allowed I just sent him an e-mail from me in favor of the New Bill!!
  16. Re: Hey ! whats going on in here ? Hey BT, glad to see you stop by bud!!!
  17. It's now getting closer to the bow season for many of us, so check out this neat deer vitals chart. This way many can actually see the correct locations of the deers actual organs. http://home.mn.rr.com/deerfever/Anatomy.html
  18. maytom

    Scent lok

    Re: Scent lok [ QUOTE ] A Response from Scent-Lok Technologies Scientific Experts This article contains valuable information that helps refute the mis-information that has been circulated among several hunting web sites. In order to help educate and inform our customers, we asked our technical expert, Dr. Shulong Li of the Milliken Company that helps produce the Scent-Lok Climaflex fabric. Dr. Li holds a Phd. Degree and is one of the world’s foremost experts on carbon technology and textile applications. We have added Dr. Li’s comments in green to clarify the points that are in direct conflict with the author’s opinions. llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll The extreme commercialization of bow hunting has, in my opinion, resulted instances where hunters have been duped. In fact, I can think of several products that are down right gimmicks and obviously seek to play upon consumer ignorance and slob hunters looking for success shortcuts. I was once asked, “What do you think is the biggest gimmick on the (outdoors equipment) market is today?” I will warn you up front that my response to the question, which follows, may be a bit painful. Furthermore, I will say that if you do find my response painful, it’s likely that you spent your hard earned wages on the product that I’m about to scrutinize. Here goes: I believe the biggest gimmick on the outdoors equipment market today is activated-carbon scent elimination clothing that are being marketed under various brand names. You know the ones I’m talking about, so I won’t name names. I’m talking about all of them. If you’re a bow hunter and believe in the effectiveness of these special garments, hopefully you aren't so angry that you stop reading this article. Because if you read this in its entirety, I promise that you will learn something. There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity, and I would never dream of calling my fellow bow hunters stupid. It’s the ignorance (i.e. the lack of knowledge) factor that has led many quality and even professional bow hunters to be fooled by the claims made by the manufacturers of scent elimination clothing. I plan to educate you, not point fingers or spit propaganda. Before I do though, I’ll tell you a bit about myself. I am a biologist by education and received my Bachelor of Science degree from Florida State University. I’ve worked in the environmental protection field for more than ten years. I have worked with various forms of activated-carbon, the same material that is used in the many brands of scent elimination clothing. Many of you have read articles by authors that claim their scent elimination clothing was pinnacle in helping them tag the biggest buck; without it, the hunt would not have been successful. The author received a biologist bachelor degree from Florida State - that education background doesn't provide him any knowledge, not to mention expertise, to comment on activated carbon subject. His work experience with Environment Protection field is not clear to me regarding the connection to scientific knowledge on activated carbon. What’s new? That is a common marketing strategy used to push new equipment. Bow hunters, despite what gear they choose, are a traditional bunch. Many of us have gained knowledge on how to hunt our query and what equipment to use through word of mouth and testimonials of other perceived more knowledgeable bow hunters. When Chuck Adam, for instance, talks or writes, I listen and pay attention. I’d be crazy if I didn’t. He is without question a knowledgeable bow hunter and we all stand to learn a lot from an experienced bow hunter like him. The problem with these scent elimination garments is, unless you have a science background and to an even greater extent, have worked in the environmental protection / remediation profession, you simply cannot posses a clear understanding of how activated-carbon works. Activated carbon has many different applications beyond this biologist's knowledge. People who do academic studies on activated carbon, activated carbon manufacturers, and many different industries where activated carbon is used, understand activated carbon. So, as I promised, I am going to tell you how activated-carbon works and why it is my opinion that activated-carbon scent elimination garments are ineffective. Then you can take the information presented here and make an educated decision for yourself. activated-carbon comes in several forms and is used in many applications as a filtering or cleansing media. activated-carbon can be manufactured from carbonaceous material, including coal (bituminous, subbituminous, and lignite), peat, wood, or nutshells (i.e., coconut shells or walnut shells). The manufacturing process consists of two phases: carbonization and activation. The carbonization process includes drying and then heating to separate by-products, including tars and other hydrocarbons, from the raw material, as well as to drive off any gases generated. Heating the material at 400–600°C (752-1472°F) in an oxygen-deficient atmosphere that cannot support combustion completes the carbonization process. Activated-carbon comes in the form of a very fine powder, which is impregnated or weaved into the textile fibers of garments. It also comes in a granular form. Both forms are used in various applications including to purify both water and air. Some of the popular drinking water filters and mechanical air filters on the market use activated-carbon as a filter media. ".. which is impregnated in or weaved into textile fibers ..." Activated carbon can not be impregnated or weaved into textile fibers ( unless one melts a fiber and physically forces the activated carbon particle into a fiber melt - which is next to impossible in a textile process.) This person is certainly not knowledgeable in textiles or textile processing. Activated-carbon is an extremely porous material with high ratios of surface area to unit weight. One pound of activated-carbon contains up to 100 acres of surface area! Activated-carbon has a particular affinity to organic materials such as volatile organic compounds or VOC’s. Human odor is composed of different gaseous molecules of VOC’s and other chemicals such as hydrogen sulfides, which are absorbed by activated-carbon. Think of activated-carbon as a common sponge that you would use to wash dishes with. Take a sponge and place it in a cup of water. What happens? It soaks up the water. The sponge, like activated-carbon, has thousands of little pores and channels running through it. When activated-carbon soaks up human “stink” odors, it does so through a process called adsorption. "think of activated carbon as a common sponge that ....." It is not a right analogy. Activated carbon exhibits strong molecular force to adsorb and hold on to organic molecules such as those of different scents. The adsorbed molecules can not be easily removed or drained like a kitchen sponge. That is exactly why activated carbon can remove small amount of odor from air, not sending them back to the air if environment is still the same. Only when you heat up the carbon, pull vacuum, or purge with different gas or steam, activated carbon will start release the adsorbed molecules, depending the chemical nature of adsorbed molecules and the conditions. Stinky gasses (i.e. human odors) are adsorbed into the many micro pores on and within the activated-carbon and are retained there. Now, what happens when a sponge becomes saturated? A sponge that is saturated with water cannot adsorb any more. Hold a saturated sponge full of water in your hand and you will observe water dripping from it. When activated-carbon in a water or air filter becomes saturated it is called breakthrough. In short, when a water’s or air filter’s filter media (i.e. activated-carbon) becomes saturated with contaminants, the filter is rendered useless and the contaminants contained in the water or air stream pass through the filter. After a while, you will be drinking dirty water or breathing stinky air until the filter is replaced. Makes sense right? Think of activated-carbon as a molecular sponge. As is the case with any sponge, activated-carbon can only hold or adsorb so much stinky stuff. Once activated-carbon becomes saturated with contaminants, it must be reactivated or replaced entirely. What do you do with a sponge that is saturated with water? You squeeze it to release the adsorbed water so you can reuse it. Or, you simply get a new dry sponge. Like the sponge analogy, activated-carbon must be “squeezed out” so to speak, in order to reactivate it for reuse. Now you know how activated-carbon works. Most of the information I just provided can be found on some of the more popular scent elimination garment manufacturers’ web sites. So far you might be thinking to yourself “Wow, activated-carbon really works”. Well, it does work, sort of. activated-carbon is a fine filter media, but using activated-carbon as the key component in a scent elimination garment is not a practical application. Unlike a common kitchen sponge, you can’t just leave it on the counter and let it dry out. In order to re-activate activated-carbon, it must undergo a process called Pyrolysis. To fully re-activate saturated activated-carbon, you must heat it to approximately 800 °C or 1,472 °F, in a controlled atmosphere of low oxygen concentration to reduce the possibility of combustion. ".., it must be reactivated ..." The author does not understand the differences between "reactivation" and "regeneration". Reactivated is to send activated carbon back through the "activation" process used in manufacturing activated carbon. It requires very high temperature as mentioned by the author. Regeneration, however, is a way of removing the adsorbed molecules on activated carbon, thereby regenerate the adsorption capacity without going through the "activation" process. On page 1030, of "Encylopedia of Chemical Technology" 4 Ed, vol. 4, there is one paragraph on activated carbon uses in solvent recovery, where adsorbed solvent is easily removed by pruging it with steam or heated nitrogen. On the same page, under "Gasoline Emission Control" section, activated carbon is used to capture gasoline vapor, and activated carbon is regenerated simply by application of a vacuum. The temperature of steams or nitrogen gas used for regeneration vary from 100 C to 130 C. In the Technical Notes of Rohm and Haas's Ambersorb, Carbonaceous Adsorbents, (Aug. 1992), page 6, “ activated carbon column demonstrated regeneration of activated carbon column with adsorbed chloroform, using 125-130 C steam, with 85 -90% contaminant removal. On page 7 of the same Note, under solvent regeneration, a regenerant solvent, methanol, or acetone is used to purge out adsorbed solvent, followed by rinsing in water or steam to remove any regenerant sovlent. As you can see, to regenerate the adsorption capacity of an activated carbon, you don't need to go through the "re-activation" process mentioned by the author of this article. In the case of Scent-lok, washing and drying in a home dryer certainly help remove some of the adsorbed materials, contaminants on the garment, and remove any odor source on the garment. The degree of regeneration depends on the chemical nature of adsorbed molecules, which varies with individual cases. I don't believe that we get 100% regeneration in washing and drying. It is, however, certainly a good practice to follow, and it will certainly help partially regenerate carbon and improve the adsorption capacity. (Copy of the references are in my lab if you need it.) This is scientific fact and is even stated in the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers – Engineering and Design, Adsorption Design Guide, Design Guide No. DG1110-1-2, if you’d like to check it out for yourself. This fact is not however mentioned on any of the popular scent elimination clothing manufacturers’ websites. One of the most popular scent elimination clothing manufactures instructs consumers to simply place worn garments in a common household clothes dryer for 20 to 30 minutes to re-active the carbon in the garment. The average temperature generated by a clothes dryer does not even come close to being able to generate the extreme temperatures necessary to drive out contaminants absorbed in the many micropores and channels of activated-carbon. In fact, most residential clothes dryers only heat up to a temperature that is well under 200°F. Those of you, whom use water filters or air filters in your homes, think about it. Why can’t you just boil your filters in hot water or throw them in the oven or microwave for a few minutes to re-activate the carbon filter media. You can’t; that’s why. You don’t own special multi million-dollar pyrolysis thermal regeneration equipment that produces enough heat to re-activate carbon. Therefore, you have to buy new filters every now and then. Re-activating carbon for industrial uses is big business. Type in the words “activated-carbon” in your favorite Internet search engine and you will see what I’m talking about here. In order to fully reactivate the activated-carbon in one of the many scent elimination garments on the market, you might as well just throw the garment in your campfire, because the extreme heat necessary to re-activate the carbon would likely destroy the garment anyway. Forgive my sarcasm, but I tend to get irritated when I see good folks getting duped. And as a class, I think bow hunters are a pretty good bunch. So as a product, I think all the activated-carbon scent elimination clothing products on the market are nothing more than gimmicks. I do not believe, based on sound science, these garments are even effective the first time you use it. Think about it. Each garment would have to be manufactured and placed in a sealed, scent proof bag when shipped and remain sealed on the shelf at retail stores. This is not the case, however. From the minute the clothing is manufactured, it begins to adsorb “stink” and continues to adsorb “stink” while awaiting an ignorant, misinformed consumer to purchase it. It is likely that the activated-carbon contained in the garment is already completely saturated with “stink” upon being purchased. "it is likely that the activated carbon contained in the garment is already completely saturated with "stink" when it is purchased." It is purely speculation with no scientific or factual support. If the garment doesn't get exposed to any environment containing enough concentration of "stink", how can the garment get saturated with "stink"? In the same paragraph, military activated carbon suit is mentioned to be one time use only. First of all, I can imagine that Military application only needs to be one time use. Washing a garment contaminated with dangerous chemical weapon is certainly not a good idea. It is certainly not a good analogy to hunting garment regeneration. Many of the scent proof garment manufacturers somewhat acknowledge this, in an attempt to bring some legitimacy to their product. They recommend that you immediately wash and re-activate garments by placing them in a clothes dryer as soon as the product is purchased. Funny, they also happen to recommend their own brand of laundry detergent that is special made for these special garments. As I explained above, washing and drying the garment is merely an exercise in futility. At best, the only way these garments could be manufactured and utilized effectively would be if they were designed for one time use. In other words, they would have to be disposable. The military actually uses activated-carbon suits as a kind of chemical protection garment, but they’re a single-use, disposable garment and not intended for multiple washings. Here is something else you should consider before purchasing one of these products: activated-carbon’s adsorption effectiveness when used in an air filter application becomes greatly reduced when it is wet. So what happens when you sweat during those humid early season bow hunts? That’s right, your clothing gets wet and becomes even less effective. A leading manufacturer of activated-carbon garments admits that no laboratory testing has been conducted to determine the effectiveness of the clothing when it is wet from hunter’s perspiration. So why the craze? Why are so many hunters rushing out to purchase these garments, when the science-based fact is that they don’t work? As I mentioned earlier, consumer ignorance is one reason. I think another reason is that many hunters so badly want to believe that they can purchase something that will render them invisible to a whitetail’s or elk’s nose. As I said earlier, many of you have read articles by authors that claim their scent elimination clothing was pinnacle in helping them tag the biggest buck; with out it, the hunt would not have been successful. I truly believe the fact that these hunters who wore these garments while achieving success, can be chalked up to being merely a coincidence. Many of the authors who wrote these type articles failed to mention they were wearing their lucky hat and that their lucky rabbits foot was in their pocket at the time. All sarcasm aside, I think many successful hunters who wear these special garments fail to recognize that they have been consciously paying closer attention to personal hygiene techniques before every hunt. You must understand that none of the success story articles that push these special garments are based on science studies. They are opinions; misinformed ones at that. I’ve talked to a few technical representatives with some of the more popular scent elimination clothing manufacturers and none of them have performed controlled scientific studies to demonstrate the true effectiveness of these garments. However, they claim to have “field tested” the garments. Come on folks. How do you field-test these garments? It is said that a deer can smell nearly 1,000 times better than humans. You cannot legitimately observe the effectiveness of these garments or read a whitetail’s mind. No one, to the best of my knowledge, has contracted a non-biased independent laboratory or university to demonstrate the effectiveness or ineffectiveness of this clothing. It is my belief that the manufacturers of these specialty garments know what the results of such a study would show; therefore it would not behoove them to undertake such an exercise. So they just claim the garments are field tested by the product-pushing pros. As stated earlier: This is just my opinion, but it’s one based on sound science, education and a realistic view of product marketing techniques. The author's ignorance of any scientific testing and data, doesn't constitute the product's lack of scientific proof. Now you can form your own opinion. Good Hunting. [/ QUOTE ] Note that the above comments were posted by some Scent-Lok Scientific Experts, who are "EMPLOYED" by Scent-Lok!!!! Geezzzeeee, maybe a little biased, No? Me personally, I'm inclined to believe the original article, that a dryer can't re-activate the clothes. What I'm saving by "NOT" buying these garments, I can pick up a new dozen arrows or other accessories for my bow. To each his own, it's your money.
  19. maytom

    Scent lok

    Re: Scent lok [ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] The bottom line is....Scent blocker or Scent lok is NOT 100% effective. But in order for it to be EFFECTIVE, you have to do it ALL. Yes I said that twice and it should be said twice because appearently not everyone understands it. Jason [/ QUOTE ] I agree 100% bud. I shower with scent eliminating soap before each hunt, use scent eliminating deodorant and scent spray everything I am wearing as an under layer for the day. When I get to my spot, I put on my Scent Lok suit and everything gets sprayed again, including, tree stand, arrows, bow, EVERYTHING. I also have the Scent Lok hat, face mask and gloves, and I wear knee high rubber boots. I did the same routine prior to buying a Scent Lok suit and I was still getting nabbed by deer. Since buying the suit however, I have been winded exactly ZERO times. Whether my process eliminates every trace of human odor or just enough that deer aren't alarmed I truly can't say, but I have had mature and young deer down wind of me for LONG periods of time that never even so much as looked towards me with caution. And no, I wasn't in a tree stand every time either. Do you need it to kill animals? No, but it's just one more tool that I will gladly keep in my arsenal. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think that anyone disputes the fact that they work, it's the "how Long" do they work factor that's the issue here. For the money that those suits cost, and the longevity factor of the carbon to keep your scent at bay, it's not worth the investment to me. I'll continue to try to hunt the wind and keep myself and my clothes as scent free as I can.
  20. Re: Slicktrick Broadheads [ QUOTE ] I use the 100 grain heads. They fly like field points out to 40 yards for me shooting 280 fps. When I say they fly like field points I don't mean they just group good, I mean they fly EXACTLY where my field points go. As for the blade sharpness, mine were PLENTY sharp out of the package. I even cut myself a few times trying to figure out the whole Alcatraz blade lock system at first lol. Maytom, where did you read about lack of blade sharpness? [/ QUOTE ] Here's the post that I read it on. http://forum.hunting.net/asppg/tm.asp?m=1128384
  21. I was almost going to order some until I read about the lack of blade sharpness. I will wait until they improve the quality on these heads before trying them. A friend at work tried them out last year, and said that they indeed fly like your field points!!
  22. Re: Squirrel Season I ended up getting it late in the season last year, so I only sighted it in at 75 yards. It would put 5 shots inside a nickle at that distance, but the 3X9 scope that I had wasn't enough power to shoot at 100+ yards. I have since picked up a 6X18 power, and can't wait to sight this one in. The CZ is a very well made gun for the money, and the best rimfire I ever owned. I think that you'd be impressed.
  23. Re: NY and rifles allowed Well stated, I concur 100%!!
  24. Re: quiver or no quiver? [ QUOTE ] As soon as I am in my stand, the quiver comes off, and gets hung on a hook off to my right side. I like the way my bow feels without the quiver. I am just more comfortable without it. [/ QUOTE ] I'll second that!!
  25. Re: Cartridge Comparison We might be able to use rifles for deer this season depending on when the Governor signs the new Bill. I'm leaning with the .7-08mm caliber in a Savage bolt action. Like you stated above, this would be a fine caliber to get the job done.