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Re: The General Lee I can't believe nobody's mentioned the A-Team Van or the Munster's street rod.

Re: SHOTGUN SHELLS It's not worth the hassle with steel shot. My dad shoots thousands of rounds in sporting clays shoots, so he does reload his target ammo. Usually on those cold winter days when there isn't much else to do. He'll reload enough to last him all year.

Re: HSUS using \"CSI\" to promote anti-hunting views! After watching last night's episode, how would "Suburban Soccer Mom Sue" vote on a ballot initiative to ban bear hunting? Did you see any hunters being portrayed in a positive light? Too many people believe the fiction they see on tv, and for many of them it's enough to associate these activites with ALL hunting activites. That's what we should be mad about. Buckee, it's not a paranoia. When even two hunters are portrayed as unsporting criminals in a fictional TV show that's as popular as CSI, then we need to be concerned. The HSUS was able to use the mainstream media last night to put negative images into peoples minds. Again, did any part of the show, or anyother show, on CBS last night portray hunters in a positive vain?

Re: My Son\'s First time in the Blind [ QUOTE ] Have I asked you (clayman) what part of MN you from? I grew up in Ruthton, MN that's a VERY small town down in SW MN along Hwy 23 between Pipestone and Marshall [/ QUOTE ] I grew up on the Iron Range in a little town called Hoyt Lakes. I've been in the twin cities now since '93.

Re: HSUS pimps CSI episode on \"canned\" hunts Popgun and nybuck, The problem is that your average suburban non-hunter, doesn't recognize the difference. What they saw last night was two CSI agents viewing a disturbing image of a supposedly "drugged" rhino being put down in an "alleged" canned hunt. Not once did they say, "I'm gald most hunters don't participate in these kind of hunts." They saw a character of the show storing bear parts in his kitchen freezer. They saw the same character admit to killing the bear, and footage of him drawing and firing his 357 at the bear, and then admitting to NOT REPORTING the incident. CBS is not so stupid to give credit to the HSUS. Although the HSUS takes great pride in pointing out the fact that they contributed to the episode. I'm curious: What part of the show attempted to portray ANY hunters in a POSITIVE light? It's a "guilt by association" technique. When hunting items come up on local ballot measures, what images will the non-hunting public have in their mind when they vote to ban trapping; or vote against constitutional amendments to confirm hunting as a right; or on measures to ban bear hunting, etc.? The average person on the street isn't going to differentiate between fair-chase and canned hunts. In the mind of the general public "hunters are hunters" regardless of their methods and techniques. They lump the good in with the bad, because of images just like the ones they saw on CSI. With a viewing audience as large as CSI's there's plenty of reasons to be concerned about what was done to us last night.

Re: My Son\'s First time in the Blind Quality father-son time there's nothing better! My boys are 4 and 6 this year. It won't be long before they're out there with me too!

Re: HSUS pimps CSI episode on \"canned\" hunts everyone must be too worked up about the Martin ads to care about this. CBS needs to hear from us!

Friends, I like to watch CSI. But I don't think I'll like what I see on tonight's (Feb. 10th) episode. The animal rights group HSUS has "consulted" with the producers of CSI in the making of tonight's episode which involves an investigation into a bear killed in an illegal "canned hunt". Regardless of our individual positions on fair-chase vs. game-farm operations, the public will surely see ALL hunters in a negative light thanks to the immensely popular fictional TV show. The HSUS is actively promoting tonight's episode on it's website and using the fictional show to promote it's anti-hunting agenda. Spread the message and share this with all of your hunting friends! http://www.hsus.org/press_and_publications/press_releases/csi_sheds_light_on_canned_hunting.html "CSI" Sheds Light on Canned Hunting 02/09/2005 WASHINGTON - CBS's top-rated drama "CSI: Crime Scene Investigation" may be fiction, but the scenarios depicted on the show are often based on reality. The episode scheduled to air tomorrow draws attention to an increasingly controversial practice known as canned hunting, according to The HSUS, which provided information for the episode. In the episode, the CSI personnel investigate the killing of a Kodiak bear, found in the woods of Lake Mead, Nevada. Evidence leads them to discover that the bear was killed during the commission of an illegal canned hunt. In reality, canned hunting is perfectly legal in most states and The HSUS estimates that there are more than 1,000 canned hunts operations in 28 states. Texas contains more canned hunting operations than any other state. Canned hunt operators breed deer, elk, and other big game animals, hand rear the animals, and release them into a fenced enclosure to be shot by paying clients. The defining aspects of a canned hunt are: • The animal has does not have the opportunity to escape, which violates the concept of fair chase. • Native and non-native species are bred specifically to stock the hunting operations. • Clients pay a fee to kill an animal; the most common arrangement is a "no kill, no pay" policy. • Animals are acclimated to people by feeding and other practices that make the operations more akin to a cattle ranch than a preserve for deer or other animals. Several states have banned or restricted canned hunting, including Arizona, California, Connecticut, Delaware, Georgia, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, Nevada, North Carolina, Oregon, Utah, Virginia, Washington and Wisconsin. In 2003, New York Governor George Pataki vetoed a bill that had passed both chambers of the state legislature. According to The HSUS, the small but vocal canned hunting and game farm industries in the state pressured Pataki to veto the measure. In Indiana, the legislature is considering a bill that would exempt the state's canned hunting operations from the state's wildlife regulations. The representative who introduced the bill has received campaign contributions from the Indiana Deer Farmers Association. "Governor Pataki's veto and campaign contributions to an Indiana state representative symbolize what we're up against in our battle to stop canned hunting," said Heidi Prescott, HSUS senior vice president of campaigns. "We believe the 'CSI' episode will educate millions of viewers about this little-known but widespread practice, which is reviled even by most hunters." The Humane Society of the United States is the nation's largest animal protection organization with more than 8.5 million members and constituents. The HSUS is a mainstream voice for animals, with active programs in companion animals and equine protection, wildlife and habitat protection, animals in research and farm animals and sustainable agriculture. The HSUS protects all animals through legislation, litigation, investigation, education, advocacy and fieldwork. The non-profit organization is based in Washington and has field representatives across the country. On the web at www.hsus.org.

Re: DU or Delta ? [ QUOTE ] guess you'll have to make your way up to Manitoba and see what hunting DU birds is all about!! [/ QUOTE ] Brady, They are not DU birds. And that's the misperception that a lot of people have about DU, and admittedly, the misperception of a lot of people within DU. Because DU invests in the habitat, it doesn't make the birds "DU birds". I know you don't disagree with me on this, I only point it out because it's that misperception of entitlement or ownership of the resource that fuels a lot of the arguments for people who have negative opinions of DU.

Re: My Son\'s First time in the Blind So you've got a 9 and 5 year old retreivers! That's the way my brother and I started. Dad would drop a goose, and we'd get to run out and pick it up for him. We thought it was great fun until we'd have to slog all the way across a fresh plowing and then turn around with a seven pound goose and have to carry it all the way back. You guys are doing it right! Thanks for introducing your kids to hunting!

Re: Ethical Question Along those lines... what do the laws in your area say about "party-hunting" (the act of hunting to fill all the tags in your hunting party)? Many states say that "Party-hunting" is not allowed. You fill your own limit and then you're supposed to quit shooting. We often see on the video tapes, and the hunting shows, a group of guys in a duck blind banging away until they've shot a complete limit. Same thing when watching footage of goose hunting. Four guys shooting until they've killed four limits. What you don't know is that one guy shot fifteen birds and the other only shot 5 even though the limit is 10 a piece. What happens when the game warden comes up and sees an aggregate pile of birds and then asks who shot which birds?

This is tonight's episode folks. I think we all need to watch it. Popular TV shows like this can really hurt our image as hunters, regardless of what methods we use. The episode may focus on "canned hunts", but the public typically ends up perceiving all hunters in a negative light. HSUS even admits to consulting with CSI producers in the making of this episode! Watch the episode tonight and then contact CBS and their local affiliate stations immediately to voice your displeasure in the way they portray you and me to the general public. http://www.hsus.org/press_and_publications/press_releases/csi_sheds_light_on_canned_hunting.html "CSI" Sheds Light on Canned Hunting 02/09/2005 WASHINGTON – CBS's top-rated drama "CSI: Crime Scene Investigation" may be fiction, but the scenarios depicted on the show are often based on reality. The episode scheduled to air tomorrow draws attention to an increasingly controversial practice known as canned hunting, according to The HSUS, which provided information for the episode. In the episode, the CSI personnel investigate the killing of a Kodiak bear, found in the woods of Lake Mead, Nevada. Evidence leads them to discover that the bear was killed during the commission of an illegal canned hunt. In reality, canned hunting is perfectly legal in most states and The HSUS estimates that there are more than 1,000 canned hunts operations in 28 states. Texas contains more canned hunting operations than any other state. Canned hunt operators breed deer, elk, and other big game animals, hand rear the animals, and release them into a fenced enclosure to be shot by paying clients. The defining aspects of a canned hunt are: • The animal has does not have the opportunity to escape, which violates the concept of fair chase. • Native and non-native species are bred specifically to stock the hunting operations. • Clients pay a fee to kill an animal; the most common arrangement is a "no kill, no pay" policy. • Animals are acclimated to people by feeding and other practices that make the operations more akin to a cattle ranch than a preserve for deer or other animals. Several states have banned or restricted canned hunting, including Arizona, California, Connecticut, Delaware, Georgia, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, Nevada, North Carolina, Oregon, Utah, Virginia, Washington and Wisconsin. In 2003, New York Governor George Pataki vetoed a bill that had passed both chambers of the state legislature. According to The HSUS, the small but vocal canned hunting and game farm industries in the state pressured Pataki to veto the measure. In Indiana, the legislature is considering a bill that would exempt the state's canned hunting operations from the state's wildlife regulations. The representative who introduced the bill has received campaign contributions from the Indiana Deer Farmers Association. "Governor Pataki's veto and campaign contributions to an Indiana state representative symbolize what we're up against in our battle to stop canned hunting," said Heidi Prescott, HSUS senior vice president of campaigns. "We believe the 'CSI' episode will educate millions of viewers about this little-known but widespread practice, which is reviled even by most hunters." The Humane Society of the United States is the nation's largest animal protection organization with more than 8.5 million members and constituents. The HSUS is a mainstream voice for animals, with active programs in companion animals and equine protection, wildlife and habitat protection, animals in research and farm animals and sustainable agriculture. The HSUS protects all animals through legislation, litigation, investigation, education, advocacy and fieldwork. The non-profit organization is based in Washington and has field representatives across the country. On the web at www.hsus.org.

Re: Gammarus Lacustris How R dem gramma's luscious shrimp wit cocktail sauce?

Re: What if ? I'd have to say I'm pretty fortunate to hunt annually where I do in Manitoba. It's truly awesome there! For something different, I'd love to do a sea duck hunt sometime.

Re: DU CBU, I do appreciate your "perception" response. You're the first person who ever explained that way to me, and it makes a lot of sense. If the corruption you mentioned about your local chapter is true, that really stinks! I haven't seen anything like that with my chapter. Why isn't it being spoken about locally? Why aren't the "average Joe's" in your chapter raising a fuss? As to your "elitism" comment. I come from a blue-collar middle income family, and I understand what you are trying to say, but I don't condone it. It's statements like that that promote the classism that you speak of. The guy driving the lexus probably also drives a hunting vehicle - it may not be a redneck rattle trap of a pickup (probably a shiny new black Chevy Suburban) but none-the-less, he's still a duck hunter. Whether he has money or not, regardless of what a person drives, or where a person lives... Even if he's a white-collar upper-crust snob, he's still a hunter and one of our own. Frankly, I'd rather see him making donations to hunting/conservation organizations than supporting groups like PETA or the HSUS. A rich guy's money is as good as mine when we're both supporting the same organization.

Re: bought a snow goose hunt!!! If it's a modified choke then it's ok. If the birds are decoying, you won't need 3 1/2 inch shells, but if your gun is chambered for them then it wouldn't hurt. You'll want shot sizes of BB or BBB. Some guys like T shot, but you don't need it. I prefer BBB myself.

Re: bought a snow goose hunt!!! [ QUOTE ] I am not a waterfowl hunter... [/ QUOTE ] That's all about to change Good luck. Shoot a pile of 'em!

Re: DU I've seen DU blamed in other posts here on occassion, but whenever I've asked the poster to provide some evidence of their claim they don't respond. In Minnesota we like to blame our DNR for poor waterfowling. Given the fact that waterfowl are migratory, it's always EASY to blame somebody else along the flyway, or to blame DU or Delta Waterfowl because they are the most visible presence in waterfowl/wetland conservation. The fact is that DU and Delta Waterfowl, and the smaller state waterfowl organizations, can only do so much. Even with all of their money, they still can't make it rain in a dry year. And they can't change the pattern of cold fronts that set the birds on their way south. It can't be easy all the time, that's the nature of nature.

Re: Guns Seems to me that that was covered in this thread: http://www.realtree.com/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/532477/an/0/page/0#532477

Got this in my email today... Dear ..., We have exciting news to share. The Humane Society of the United States and The Fund for Animals are taking animal advocacy to a whole new level. With the launch of our new lobbying arm, temporarily named the HSUS Fund for Animals (more on that in a minute), we're taking our fight to end animal suffering and abuse straight to Capitol Hill and to every state legislature. Because The HSUS and The Fund are non-profit charities, we’re limited in how much we can spend on lobbying activities. That's why our new lobbying arm is so important because as a 501©(4) social welfare organization, it has no such restrictions on lobbying and can work exclusively on animal protection legislation. It will multiply our efforts to move lawmakers for the benefit of animals - and keep those who would exploit animals for fun and profit from dominating the ears of legislators. We've already set our legislative priorities for 2005. Right away, we're working to: Pass a federal bill to prevent the commercial sale and slaughter of wild horses and burros because Congress recently put these majestic horses on the auction block; Pass a federal bill to crack down on canned hunts, "drive-thru" operations that allow trophy hunters to kill fenced-in exotic animals for a fee; Ensure that poultry are given legal protections under the Humane Methods of Slaughter Act because 95% of all animals sent to slaughter aren't covered by the law; Increase the penalties for dogfighting and cockfighting; and Place a measure on the 2006 ballot in Michigan to restore a ban on hunting mourning doves. And that’s just the start. As you’ve surely noticed, we’ve given HumaneLines a new look - part of our effort to recruit more committed animal advocates like you to our Humane Action Network. Next week, look for a special edition of HumaneLines that will bring you news about our first campaign this year. We hope you'll take the opportunity today to ensure that we deliver the best information to help you help animals. Here's how: Update your profile - it only takes a minute. The more information we have about you and your interests, the better we can get you the news and updates you need. If, for example, we have your complete mailing address, we can send you email alerts about important animal issues in your state and even your city. Click here to sign in to your subscription management page to review and update your profile. Choose a new name for our new lobbying arm. Click here to tell us your ideas. Spread the word about the Humane Action Network. The more people who join us, the better for animals everywhere. Thank you for your dedication and commitment to helping animals every day - and welcome to the next phase of HumaneLines. Sincerely, Mike Markarian President HSUS Fund for Animals

Re: What Happened? Popgun guessed it. Guy was caught cheating at poker/cards.

Re: Ted Nugent Law suite going to trial ! From the article: "The festival canceled Nugent's June 2003 concert, worth $80,000 to the aging rocker,..." Why do reporters have a need to add this to their story in nearly every article about Nugent and many of the other acts that have been around for several years. You see it all the time with the Stones, KISS, Alice Cooper, ACDC. Who cares how old they are? When was the last time you read an article that said "Bob Smith, the aging welder from Acme Corp. was involved in a three car pile-up..." Or "Bill Jordan, the aging camoflage designer..." Or "Dick Cabela, the old guy that runs the nations largest outdoor catalog business..."

Re: Drawing ducks in Now for my opinion... We have a small pond on our property in Northern MN. We manage it as habitat. On any given day there will be 100 wood ducks and mallards on it. There are nest boxes for the woodies and a nest tube for mallards. We also do spread a couple pounds of feed corn along the shore and shallows every day. We typically do not hunt this pond. There is a blind that we use for "watching" and photographing. However, each fall we do shoot a small handfull of drakes (probably less than six birds a year). Man, there's nothing like a nice corn fed mallard in the roaster. Sure, we could hunt the pond hard. But we choose not to. We manage this land as habitat for habitat's sake, not for hunting. It's a personal choice that you'll have to make. You need to be cautious of "baiting" laws. But aside from that, do what you feel is right with your land and always respect the game that you are hunting. If you do that, you're ok in my book.

Re: Drawing ducks in I'm just playing "devil's advocate" here, but... If it were a food plot for deer would any of the naysayers respond differently?

Re: just curious Waterfowl Ford Polaris (It's a MN product) Rifle burger