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Hadn't seen that one - Thanx.

Thank your grandfather for his service. And Obama accuses McCain of not being able to operate a computer. But, can Obama land a jet on the deck of an aircraft carrier? And, McCain won't be the only pilot to have crashed a plane (or more than one). Depends on the conditions at the time. Heck, I've wrecked patrol cars. Doesn't make me less qualified to be a cop.

Bums don't make $60,000 a year - the ones making less than $10,000 are the ones not motivated, i.e. more bum-like. I'm surprised if you make $175,000 a year you'd even consider voting for socialism. His $250,000 level is political rhetoric. Mark my words, His limit will drop from $250k down to the bums making more than 30 or 40k. He'll say "circumstances have changed and we need everyone to be more patriotic than we first envisioned." Your arguments don't gel with the facts. But, a lot of people have bought into the hype without checking the facts for themselves or making their own minds. But, still, welcome to the forums.

Yet, accuses McCain of voting with the President (or along party lines) only 90% of the time. That would indicate to me which one more often reaches across the aisle.

We do have a few from MSNBC show up now and then...LOL Making less than $10,000 a year? That figures out to about $4.81 an hour for 40 hours a week/52 weeks a year. Last I heard minimum wage went up to over $7 an hour. $7 an hour sucks. But, there are enough grants, loans and other entitlement programs available that anyone wanting to improve themselves and their lot in life can get training and/or an education to make more. But, they have to have the desire and motivation. But, then again, that's what Obama's tax cuts are designed for - to confiscate wealth from those who have worked for it and pass it on to those who haven't -- or won't. Failure is not the only punishment for laziness; there is also the success of others. - Jules Renard "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." - George Bernard Shaw But, then again, I could be wrong. Welcome to the forums.

Here's what I have. Honey Barbecue Sauce 1 tb Vegetable oil 1/2 c Onion; minced 1 Cl Garlic; minced 1 8 oz tomato sauce 1/2 c Honey 2 tb Cider or sherry wine vinegar 2 tb Fresh parsley; minced 1 tb Worcestershire sauce 1/4 ts Pepper 1/8 ts Cayenne Heat oil in medium skillet. Add onion and garlic and saute on medium high heat until onion is transparent. Add remaining ingredients and simmer for 5 min. Remove from heat. Makes 1 cup. --------------------------------------- Honey Barbecue Sauce 1 c Ketchup 1 ts Liquid smoke 1 ts Bar-B-Q spice 1 tb Vinegar 1 tb Prepared mustard 1/2 c Honey 1 ds Pepper; and garlic Salt 1/4 c Water Combine all ingredients. Simmer 5-10 minutes in saucepan or microwave 3-4 minutes in large glass measuring cup. ----------------------------------- Honey Barbecue Sauce 1/2 c Minced onion 1 Clove garlic; minced 1 tb Vegetable oil 1 cn Tomato sauce; (8oz.) 1/2 c Honey 2 tb Vinegar 2 tb Parsley; minced 1 tb Worcestershire sauce 1/4 ts Black pepper 1/8 ts Cayenne pepper Saute onion and garlic in oil until softened. Add remaining ingredients and bring mixture to boil; reduce heat and simmer 5 minutes. ---------------------------- Honey Barbeque Sauce 1 cup ketchup 1 cup honey 1/4 cup coarse mustard 1/4 cup jalapeno chile pepper -- finely chopped 2 tablespoons rice vinegar -- (not seasoned) 1 teaspoon Tabasco sauce -- or to taste 3 tablespoons firmly packed light brown sugar 1 tablespoon curry powder 1 1/2 teaspoons sweet paprika 1 teaspoon soy sauce 1 teaspoon minced garlic 1 teaspoon vegetable oil 1/2 teaspoon Worcestershire sauce 1/2 teaspoon fresh lemon juice 1/4 teaspoon freshly ground black pepper In a heavy saucepan stir together all ingredients and simmer, stirring occasionally, 15 minutes. (Sauce keeps, covered and chilled, 1 week.)

I don't fault anyone for early voting. I just won't myself. Election day is Election day. Not the two or three weeks before election day. Call me old-fashioned. Early voting was a liberal concept designed to get more voters to the polls under the concept that if you gave them enough time some of the "less motivated" might eventually make it to the polls. And, please, don't take it wrong and that I mean anyone on here is included in that description. If, because of schedules, demands of everyday living, and so forth - if it works for you. But, for me, I say: Nah. I'll wait.

Good thought.

All you/us hardworking stiffs will have fewer dollars in your/our pockets because it will be taken away from those who have worked for it and given to those who haven't. HE's going to reduce taxes on 95% of Americans? How's that going to work when 40% of Americans pay no taxes already? As President Bush said once "That's fuzzy math." The tax cuts won't happen - but the tax rebates will. HE can't cut taxes AND give the tax rebates to those who haven't earned it. Rebates is how we will spread our wealth - if you can call what we have "wealth." Smells like you got your nose in a bottle of old pee - it stinks.

Biden's known for his gaffes. But, then again, Obama's known for his inexperience and his willingness to sing Kumbya with terrorist leaders. I don't if think Biden has advance warning or if he's just like a lot of Americans who are afraid of His ineptitude and that the terrorist regimes will seize the opportunity to finally bring it to us.

“In selecting men for office, let principle be your guide. Regard not the particular sect or denomination of the candidate - look to his character...” —Noah Webster "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." - George Bernard Shaw

congrats.

He did it just to remind blacks that he is endorsing Obama. Political timeliness. I have said I would vote for a black man - I've said I would vote for Powell if he ran. I have changed my mind. Powell WAS the first Iraq war; he WAS Bush's Secretary of State (based on his performance as a war leader). Now he flip-flops because he didn't agree with either #1 or #2? Why didn't he stand up then but is willing to now? I think he more would like to overcome the belief that he has been whitey's lackey. He can't truly believe that both Obama and McCain are ready for CINC on day one -- but that Obama has a better handle on the economy. As much as I despise the man - Howard Stern had one of his producers interview blacks on the streets of New York. They said they were voting for Obama - even when the producer asked if they supported him knowing that he was for the war and against abortion - right wing agendas. To a person they said they still supported him. Shows they are voting only for the color of the skin. And who is playing the race card?

Snopes said the rumors of his birthplace not being in America were false - that was when the question was whether or not Hawaii was a state or not. They do acknowledge the lawsuit filed by Berg in August of Obama being born in Kenya and/or failing to naturalize after his return from Indonesia - but they don't say whether the new issues are true or not. I doubt Berg would have filed the suit if it were likely to be false. Question remains - if there's nothing to hide why hide it? Got this in an e-mail. ---------------- Is there a reason why this is not being reported in the media? Why is this not news? Simply put ... because the mainstream media is the liberal media controlled by the DEMOCRATS (CFR) and are selling Obama! Yes .... Obama has CHANGE IN MIND ... to change USA to SOCIALISM--AND WORSE! JUDGE ORDERS OBAMA TO PRODUCE BIRTH CERTIFICATE By Jon Christian Dryer October 3, 2008 On September 29, 2008 US District Court Judge R. Barclay Surrick, the federal magistrate for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania ruled in the matter of Philip J. Berg vs Barack Hussein Obama, et al as the world was distracted by the $700 billion subprime mortgage crisis. Obama signed a breathe of relief as the mainstream media chose to ignore the question: "Can Senator Barack Hussein Obama legally seek the office of President of the United States?" The flap began in June when National Review's Jim Geraghty raised the question and asked the Obama Campaign to release a copy of his birth certificate in order to prove that he actually was born in the United States. (Reports had previously surfaced claiming that Obama's Kenyan grandmother, Sarah Hussein Obama, told reporters that Obama was not born in Hawaii, but in Kenya. She reportedly told reporters that when her son, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. returned to Kenya he was accompanied by a pregnant white wife who was close to term.) Obama's family did not take to Stanley Ann Dunham Obama well according to Sarah Obama because she was white. Shortly after she arrived in Kenya Stanley Ann decided to return to Hawaii because she did not like how Muslim men treated their wives in Kenya. However, because she was near term the airline would not let her fly until after the birth of her baby. Obama's grandmother said the baby was born in Kenya and that shortly after Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. was born, Stanley Ann returned to Hawaii. Purportedly, when she arrived back in Hawaii, Stanley Anne registered her son's live birth as an event which had just happened—in Hawaii. This supposition is based on the appearance, shortly after Nov. 6, 2007, of a Hawaiian birth certificate that was issued, as a duplicate birth certificate, by the State of Hawaii to a US Senator who requested it. While the Internet screamed that the birth certificate, which appeared on the Obama Campaign's "Fight The Smears" website and was also downloaded and used by far left blogger Markos Zuniga on his website, Daily Kos, it was not an electronic image concocted by as was hypothesized by a self-described cyvbersleuth who uses the cyber pseudonym Techdude. It was the real McCoy—even if it was issued as a political favor to a prospective Democratic presidential candidate by a Democrat official in Hawaii. The county clerk who issued the document, which purports to be a copy of an original document, was date stamped "Nov. 6, 2007" on the reverse side of the birth certificate in blue ink which bled through and is visible on the front of the electronic image. Attorney Philip J. Berg, the former head of the Montgomery County. Pennsylvania Democratic Party and a former member of the Democratic State Convention and, reportedly a Hillary Clinton supporter, wanted to learn the truth from the myriad of rumors that also suggested that Sen. Obama may also have been a citizen of Indonesia. The only consistent part of the story was Stanley Ann returning to Hawaii to claim he had been in the United States and was a US citizen. In his ruling, Judge Surrick noted that the "...cause came before the United States District Court Judge, Honorable R. Barclay Surrick on defendant Barack Hussein Obama and the Democratic National Committee's motion to dismiss." The order continued, "Having reviewed the motion and plaintiff's opposition to said motion and for good cause shown, it is hereby ordered that the motion to dismiss pursuant to F.R.C.P. 12(b)(1) and 12(b)(6) is denied. It is further order of this court that the following discovery is to be turned over to plaintiff within three (3) days. 1. Obama's "vault" version (certified copy of his "original" long version) birth certificate; and 2. a certified copy of Obama's Certificate of Citizenship; 3. a certified copy of Obama's oath of allegiance." In his original filing, Berg specifically asked for those three items. Berg told the court that "...at the time Plaintiff's complaint was filed, Plaintiff was requesting protections from the court in order to stop Obama from being nominated by the DNC as the Democratic Presidential Nominee as Obama is not eligible to serve as President of the United States. However, Obama was nominated by the DNC...For that reason, Plaintiff must amend his complaint and will be amending this complaint to file a First Amendment complaint...." Berg argued that he felt it was the role of the Federal Election Commission to ensure that presidential and congressional candidates are eligible to hold the positions for which they were seeking, and that those candidates run a fair and legitimate campaign. In vetting the presidential candidate,"Berg argued, "the DNC and the FEC are required to ensure the eligibility requirements pursuant to our Constitution are met and the Presidential nominee, if elected, is qualified and eligible to serve pursuant to our United States Constitution. In order to be eligible to run for the Office of President of the United States, you must be a "natural born" citizen. "There appears to be no question that Defendant Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was a US citizen. It is also undisputed, however, that his father, Barack Obama, Sr., was a citizen of Kenya. Obama's parents, according to divorce recorded, were married on or about February 2, 1961." "Defendant Obama claims he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii. on August 4, 1961 and it is uncertain in which hospital he claims to have been born. Obama's grandmother on his father's side, his half-brother and half-sister all claim Obama was born not in Hawaii but in Kenya. Reports reflect that Obama's mother traveled to Kenya during her pregnancy; however, she was prevented from boarding a flight from Kenya to Hawaii. at her late stage of pregnancy (which apparently are normal restrictions, to avoid births during flights). By these reports, Stanley Ann Dunham Obama gave birth to Obama in Kenya, after which she flew home and registered Obama's birth. There are records of a "registry of birth" for Obama, on or about August 8, 1961 in the public records office in Hawaii." Berg's investigators revealed that Obama's own half-sister Maya Soetoro—with whom he was raised—seemed not to know where her own brother was born. In the Nov., 2004 interview by the Rainbow Newsletter Maya Soetoro said Obama was born on Aug. 4, 1961 at Queens Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii. In February, 2008 Maya was interviewed by the Star Bulletin. This time she told reporters that Obama was born on August 4, 1961 at the Kaliolani Medical Center for Women and Children. On June 9, 2008 Wayne Madsen, a journalist with Online Journal published an article in which he said a research team went to Mombassa, Kenya and located a Certificate registering the live birth of Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. to his father, a Kenyan citizen and his mother, a US citizen. Berg's argument to the court was that under the US Nationality Act of 1940, Section 317 (b), a minor child follows the naturalization and citizenship status of his or her custodial parent. In Obama's case, Berg argued, a minor child follows the naturalization and citizenship status of his or her custodial father. Obama's Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetora signed a statement acknowledging Obama as his son, giving Obama natural Indonesian citizenship, which explains the name "Barry Soetoro" and his citizenship listed as Indonesian. Loss of US citizenship, under US law in effect in 1967 required that foreign citizenship be achieved through "application." Which, according to Berg, is precisely what happened to Obama when his mother married Soetoro and the family moved to Indonesia. When Obama and his mother moved to Indonesia, Obama had already been enrolled in school—something that could not have happened under Indonesian law if Soetoro had not signed an acknowledgment (the application) affirming that Obama was his son, it deemed his son to be an Indonesian State citizen. (Citizenship of Republic of Indonesia, Law No. 9 of 1992 dated 31 mar. 1992, Indonesia Civil Code): "...State children of Indonesia include: (viii) children who are born outside of legal marriage from foreign State citizen mother who are acknowledged by father who is Indonesian State citizen as his children and that acknowledgment is made prior to children reaching 18 years of age or prior to marriage; Republic of Indonesia Constitution, 1945."[/font] Furthermore, under Indonesian law, if a resident Indonesian citizen married a foreigner—in this case, Lolo Soetoro marrying Stanley Ann Obama—she was required to renounce her US citizenship. In his lawsuit, Berg demanded a copy of Obama's Certificate of Citizenship, a document Obama must have applied for to regain his citizenship—which was lost in Indonesia. He will have that document only if the proper paperwork was filed with the US State Department when Obama returned to Hawaii in 1971 since that is the only way Obama could regain his US "natural born" status. Berg is convinced that Obama was never naturalized in the United States after his return. Obama returned to his maternal grandparents in Hawaii without his mother. Since she is the only one who could have filed for the reinstatement of his citizenship, it is unlikely it ever happened. If it did, his Certificate of Citizenship would affirm his right to seek the office of President. Without it, Barack Obama is just another resident alien who can't legally hold his seat in the US Senate.

I watched it a couple times. McCain did an awesome job. Obama had some good moments but he also laid some bombs which were taken by the audience with nervous laughter and hesitancy. Too bad not everyone saw it and get a better picture of both in a different format.

ACORN is the right title for an organization of liberal nut-jobs.

On the job but won't be in attendance. Went thru scout-sniper in 1996.

Be afraid. Be very, very afraid.

You've got that right. He needs to take off the gloves and put it in Obama's face.

His resume may be impressive. But, like his career, he is an empty suit.

I think the GOP has lost its way for conservatives. But, they aren't the ones who are going to lie in it - we will. Maybe the country is resilient, but how many good people are going to lose and suffer thru the Obama years - and the years it will take to recover afterwards. Obama told a plumber that he wants to redistribute the wealth to the middle-class. That's political rhetoric - he wants to re-distribute it to those who won't work for it. It is those for whom the CRA was designed and because of those that we're in the financial crisis we're in. And, it won't be his wealth that gets redistributed - it'll be yours and mine. You support Palin as the real deal? Then vote for her and not McCain and hope something happens where she gets the nod to step up. McCain's already said he's only going to be a one-term Prez. Give her a chance to step in for him or step up after him.

Guess that's one way to spin an opinion. A wasted vote is the vote not cast. Yeah, the person the spin is for may have all the desirable traits - and in normal times a principle vote would be ideal. But, these are not ideal times and socialism and Obama's values are not the path we want, nor can afford, to go down. Is the spin's candidate the better choice? Yes. Is he going to win - or even be counted at the end of the day? No. He couldn't even beat Obama in Illinois. I've always stood on principle rather than popularity - but, again, these aren't normal times. As much as I disagree with McCain's moderate views, I have to cast mine to give him a better chance at the popular vote and, again and still, hope the electoral college goes the right way.

I normally agree with most of what you say. But, how can that be wrong? Obama may not get the vote - but neither does McCain. So, it's the same as not voting - which means McCain loses a vote and Obama has a greater chance of winning.

Checked the trail cams we put out last Sunday. Here's one of the smaller 10-points feeding. The others we've seen haven't shown up on camera yet - must be camera shy.

I have always said I would vote for a black man, a woman, or a black woman - IF it were the right person. I've read most of what Keyes has said and have to agree with most of what he says. In normal times if it were between McCain and Keyes I would vote for Keyes because of McCain's moderate stand on a number of issues. My problem with voting for Keyes at this point is that every vote to an independent is a vote for Obama because it will take away from the popular votes that will decide whether Obama or McCain wins the popular vote - and we don't need and can't afford Obama as President. I can only hope the Electoral College goes the Right way. But, then, I believe that will cause riots.