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Just when you think you got it rough something always comes along to make you realize your problems arent all that bad. Turns out some new nieghbors of mine that live about 1 block and 1/2 away have a baby.I havent met the family except the dad once this spring but he seemed ike a nice guy.Anyway, thier baby came along and apparentlys got a lotta health issues.At 6 months old hes already undergone 2 open heart surgeries and has another one coming up real soon.It got to the point where both parents had to quit there jobs just to take care of the kid and theyre burning up there savings just trying to get by for now till after the next surgery.The local VFW heard about this and put together a raffle to help the family out and got some pretty neat prizes donated to raffle off.Anyway, say a prayer for 6 mth old Drew Bakken, hes been through more already then most of us will in a lifetime.

Re: Govt Eavesdropping [ QUOTE ] Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Register all your firearms now.you have nothing to hide right? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Your firearm in the US is already registered when you purchase it..... and if it isn't you illegally purchased it.... Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And your right to free speech.The government should be allowed to censor that at any time it pleases. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's already censored in schools and government buildings.... So there's nothing NEW there... Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Your freedom of religion.Who needs it, its another meaningless right. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This also is censored in schools and government buildings.... Heaven forbid your kid celebrate Christmas in a classroom were there is a Jahova Witnees child,, that parent will go through the roof and start suing everybody in sight... [/ QUOTE ] Yep, and the same guys who arent worried about the right to privacy are the ones that holler the most when these other right get violated.Thats my point. Apparently theyve also affected your rights more then you were willing to admitt to in your first posts as well or you wouldnt have all these little observations to make. And finally, if your willing to sit back, watch these things happen, and not complain about it, you werent the one I was talking to anyway.Its the ones that are complaining about certain rights being violated while theyre willing to overlook other ones that I was addressing. [ QUOTE ] To me the gathering of information, is way different than sensorship [/ QUOTE ] And to me its a package deal, we should expect it all or none of it, and I dont think thats what our founding fathers had in mind

Re: CSI-Murder with a Bow Im not real sure what the problem is here.You say you watch the show regularly but then you get upset that a bow company is gonna have one of its products featured in the show.Cant the other 19 million viewers distinguish TV from reality as well as you can? If Bowtech was running an ad on the outdoor channel showing how well one of thier bows could zip through a person it would be a disgusting display of advertising.This isnt an advertisement, its a TV show that features people being brutaly murdered every week.I somehow dont think the people that watch it are gonna be shocked by the act of killing someone with a bow. The only place its even mentioned so far is one little paragraph on the bowtech websight.Im sure the producers of CSI have other things in mind then turning that epsode into an infomercial for Bowtech.If someones gonna be disgusted by something at all it should probably be the fact that theyre showing 2 or 3 people a week being raped and murdered in the first place, not the idea that a company could see 19 million viewers being exposed to thier product as a good thing.

Re: Teens+Cars+Peer Pressure=Tragedy You know, as long as we got adults all across the country that sit in bars night after night and drive home drunk, and I get passed on the highway while Im doing the speedlimit by people who arent punk kids then I dont think you can sit there and act like teenagers have the monopoly on being stupid when the majority of car wrecks you hear about involve adults. Ive read several posts here lately stereotyping teenagers as rude, disrepectful, drug using, punks.Funny thing is they said the same thing when I was a kid and my dad was a kid, and my grandpa was a kid.Kids havent changed a whole lot, we just got old

Re: Govt Eavesdropping Ok heres a few other things that shouldnt be cried about anymore. Any attempt at gun control or registration is now acceptable.Your not owning a gun could save a life down the road.Add up all the guns we own and theres a possibilty of a lotta lives being saved. Register all your firearms now.you have nothing to hide right?Then you shouldnt mind a bunch of paperwork with the exact amount of guns and possibly the exact number of rounds of ammo you have in your home. And your right to free speech.The government should be allowed to censor that at any time it pleases.After all, in your "pathetic little excuse for a life" you have no businuess questioning anything they do right?All of you unimportant people should quit making waves while the government goes about its businuess unchecked. Your freedom of religion.Who needs it, its another meaningless right.Your religous preference means very little to a lot of people and they shouldnt have to put up with it.Bad enough theyre taking it outta the courthouses and schools, but I think all those crosses decorating the churches and little religous stores in the strip malls should be closed as well before they offend the minority. Theres more, I could go on, but you guys just pick which ones of these youd like to see fall first.After all if it doesnt directly affect you it shouldnt matter should it?Theres a large % of Americans who could give a crap if you ever own a gun again, who have absolutely no interest in your religous preference, and have even less interest in your opinion.Aww, most of you dont take these other rights seriously anyway do you?Like I said, if this ones not important dont cry about the rest of em being violated and expect to be taken seriously cuz its a joke to try doint this from both ends.

Re: Govt Eavesdropping You know, if your gonna upset that easily you should at least use what Ive written and not just what you got out of it. [ QUOTE ] What do you mean the very, very, minimal chance of a terrorist attack. Do you just ignore all but the crap dems are rolling out or do you just have selective memory [/ QUOTE ] .I said it was a very minimal chance that they would have the right phones tapped at the right time to avert another attack anyway.Heres the quote. [ QUOTE ] on the very, very, minimal chance a terrorist attack could be averted from it?Because thats what it boils down to, its just a crap shoot and theyd have to be listening to just the right phone at just the right time. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] And the reason it was secret is because you don't tell the bad guys what you are doing when you are trying to stop them. DUH! [/ QUOTE ] And you think they tell them thier monitering theyre calls when they have a warrant?You really shouldnt use the term DUH unless your argument has some grain of reality involved with it.Theyve been tapping phones, and doing it legally, with warrants, for years without the bad guys knowing it.Were not saying phone taps shouldnt be used, were just saying they should legally obtain them with a warrant and not just be able to slap a wiretap on everytime they have a gut feeling about someone. [ QUOTE ] I can't believe some people would say that they wouldn't want intrusion even if it saves lives. [/ QUOTE ] If I thought it would save lives and the government would have enough self control only to use it for that and it would end there I wouldnt have a problem with it.Unfourtanately the Government doesnt have a real great track record for self control.But they do have a pretty good track record for overstepping thier authority.

Re: Call me a ROOKIE Yeah, Im looking into that right now.Im not sure what happened there

Re: Govt Eavesdropping [ QUOTE ] Maybe if some of ya'll don't like it, maybe you outta think about leaving. [/ QUOTE ] Good argument Gator, good to see someone being rational . Texan, you bring up an interesting point and I dont mind debating with you as long as youll let me stay n the country [ QUOTE ] I am all for gun control, as long as it's directed toward the right people - in this case criminals. [/ QUOTE ] But look at the attempts at gun control.They never do any good, they affect law abiding citizens and do absolutley nothing to discourage the people they are aimed at.im sure you can agree with that.This is gonna do the exact same thing, have zero affect on terrorism and infringe on the rights of those who arent terrorists. If I honestly thought our government could control itself, look only into suspected terrorists and not use illegal taps just because they could for other things Id say great, Go for it.But I dont, its just the begining. just for the **** of it lets say as a "terrorist" measure they did outlaw gun ownership.Thats not really much of a stretch of the imagination is it? Now your guns are illegal, they can tap your phone, go through your mail, if they suspect you own them they can come into your home without a warrant.Since its a anti terror bill they dont just need to suspect your hiding guns and they can keep you as long as they want without charging you with anything.Seriously, it sounds like a bad dream doesnt it?Whats to stop it from happening if we start giving up these little rights?It sets a precendent they can use in the future to keep taking what they want in the name of National security and by then itll be to late to turn back, just like with gun control.Once that laws on the books its almost impossible to get it back off.

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Re: Govt Eavesdropping Last thing Ive got to say on the issue.If were giving up our rights to privacy because of the acts of a bunch of fanatics then we already lost, cuz thats exactly what they want us to do.If you honestly believe this is the answer, quit crying about em trying to take your guns, after all, its to make you safer.If its ok to take this right away, dont expect any of them to be safe.And unfourtanately I think some of you are letting politcal lines form your opinion on this, if it was the former Clinton administration trying to push something like this through a lotta you guys woulda been yelling the loudest.Seriously, im afraid im gonna have to take any future statements you guys make about the constitution, the right to bear arms, or any other rights with a grain of salt cuz I know under the right circumstances youd roll over and give em all up now.

Re: Govt Eavesdropping So your all are in favor of war to liberate the people of Iraq while at the same time you have no problem with the same government taking away your freedoms?We got guys dying over there so they can have a democratic government but cant even gaurantee the people in our country the same rights?Where the logic here guys?Everyone in heres constantly complaining about the antis and the liberals trying to take away theyre right to bear arms but youre willing to roll over and give up any of your other rights on the very, very, minimal chance a terrorist attack could be averted from it?Because thats what it boils down to, its just a crap shoot and theyd have to be listening to just the right phone at just the right time. They have some criteria for this you say?Then explain why theyre trying to pull all the info they can get from every search engine on the internet to look for key words/phrases?Personally I dont think all the men and women whove died serving this country died so we could have wiretaps and random house searches like the Soviet Union.I also wasnt aware the Constitution was a put and take deal where you could decide which parts you liked and disregard the rest.Having nothing to hide isnt the point, or at least it shouldnt be.You know whats worse then terrorists, a government thats got to much power and isnt afraid to abuse it.We keep giving things up and thats basically what were creating.

Re: Govt Eavesdropping So wheres it supposed to stop then?Their wiretaps seem to be a hot topic right now as to weather they were legal or not. Theyre pouring through our internet records right now, at least from the search engines that turned the records over. Listening in on cell phone calls would be the next logical step I suppose.Then home invasions without warrants would logicaly follow I suppose.Im only half joking about that.I guesse I dont need to be made to feel safe that badly.The odds of of the terrorist targeting me for an attack are astronomical.The odds of the government taking something outta context or getting something screwed up in thier computer and labeling me as a suspected terrorist are much greater IMO.Except the terrorists move on when theyre done, the government will hound you forever.Im not willing to give up any more rights for that .

Re: Another \"Bone-headed\" IL. Attempt to control Deer If I dont have nothing nice to say I shouldnt say anything at all, thats what my mom used to tell me

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Re: Religious/political Scenerio [ QUOTE ] doesn't god love all those who believe? all who pray to him, and ask for salvation? does that exclude mormons, or catholics, or jews, or lutherans, or amish, or .... [/ QUOTE ] Apparently not, there must be a secret handshake or something you need to know

Re: SB-261 Will Restrict Hunting In Indiana! I trust you on that, Im just not sure why your hunting that close to someone elses house to start with.If things are really that crowded around there maybe you do need this law.Ok, your asking about a stand 175 yrds away, on the other side of the road.By the time you figure in the yard, two ditches, and two lanes of road your stands not to far into the property to start with.And yes, that would apply here as well no matter whos property your on but only to guns, not archery gear.Like I sai, Ive hunted here for 20 yrs and never had a problem with that law, so it cant be to restrictive or more of us would be complaining about it.It does however make a nice little safe area around your house and helps keep tresspassing down.suppose it just depends on which side of the fence your looking at the issue from.

Re: SB-261 Will Restrict Hunting In Indiana! [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] ill play devils advocate here for a minute.We have a law in place here in Iowa already that makes it illegal to shoot within 200 yrds of buildings, livestock, or houses.Unless things are a lot different there its really not that restrictive of law.And it makes a certain degree of sense from a safety standpoint.Id feel better if I lived in the country and knew no one was sitting within 200 yrds of my kids playing in the yard with a loaded weapon.I dont see the need for it to apply to bowhunting but other than that you guys are acting like the only place to hunt is in the middle of someones yard [/ QUOTE ] Iowa is a bigger state than Indiana, and the population of Indiana is larger too. [/ QUOTE ] Iowa also has the second least amount of public hunting land of any state in the US.Which means well over 90% of the hunting done in this state takes place on privately owned ground.Throw in our populaity as a pheasant/deer hunting state and Id bet we get a lot more hunters per year on these private grounds to.And even with all that going on this laws still never been a problem. Also I looked at the link to the bill you gave and couldnt see anywhere in it where it stated that someone could tell you you couldnt hunt someone elses land.Matter of fact thats what the whole bill looked like to me, just an effort to crack down a little on tresspassing, the key phrase through the whole bill is "without permission"

Re: SB-261 Will Restrict Hunting In Indiana! ill play devils advocate here for a minute.We have a law in place here in Iowa already that makes it illegal to shoot within 200 yrds of buildings, livestock, or houses.Unless things are a lot different there its really not that restrictive of law.And it makes a certain degree of sense from a safety standpoint.Id feel better if I lived in the country and knew no one was sitting within 200 yrds of my kids playing in the yard with a loaded weapon.I dont see the need for it to apply to bowhunting but other than that you guys are acting like the only place to hunt is in the middle of someones yard

Re: Religious/political Scenerio [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 1 NEPHI 22:23 [/ QUOTE ] From the book of Mormon for those of you who don't know. See Marky's post, he pretty much covered this one. No offence intended, but Mormon's believe a great deception and are bound for a sinners ****. [/ QUOTE ] Dang, thats the same thing I was talking about in my first post.So now your interpretations the only right one and anyone who belireves differentlys going to ****?remember eariler conversations in here about holier than though attitudes actualy driving people away from religion?Im begining to wonder if you dont have that exact attitude we were discussing

Re: Religious/political Scenerio [ QUOTE ] Good to see you chime in Horst. It's been a while. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, I been lurking in the background for awhile

Re: Religious/political Scenerio [ QUOTE ] Spoken like a person who has never read the old testiment. It's not a matter of interpretation, that's a matter of being able to read on a 6th grade level. [/ QUOTE ] Funny, someone says your wrong about something you say its open to intrerpretation, somebody else says something you disagree with you get insulting about it.

Re: Wal-Mart about to get the shaft in MD ok VH, but like I said, if all theyve done in life is stocked shelves and manual labor of that sort wheres the qualifications to run an entire store?Im not saying the college diploma means a lot in some cases and Ive meant some of these "educated idiots" myself.But still, working somewhere doesnt mean your qualified to be management there no matter how good of worker or reliable you are.

Re: Wal-Mart about to get the shaft in MD [ QUOTE ] Why?????? If a person with an elementary background can do the job as well as someone that had a PHD then why shouldn't they get paid the same? [/ QUOTE ] All about qualifications Hutchies.You cant honestly sit there and tell me if you ran a company and had 2 applications for a management job on youre desk, one from someone with a college education and one from someone that stocked shelves thier whole life and dropped out in the 7th grade youd have a hard time deciding who to put in charge.

Re: Wal-Mart about to get the shaft in MD [ QUOTE ] Why don't they take the store managers bonus for the year and even it out among the workers that worked under him so hard to make him all that money. [/ QUOTE ] Hutchies, if someones a store manager he got to be one because he either went and got a college education or he has been in the place a long time and proven himself to be a good employee. your suggesting he should be penalized for improving himself while 90% of the people on the floor working barely have a clue what theyre job actually is.Theres a big difference between running a store and stocking shelves.

Re: Adios nicotine! Congrats Mark, you to AJ, been several months for me now to since i had a smoke.Crazy part is I still get cravings and they happen at the wierdest times