I think that most of us from WI will agree that the deer numbers are down. I would also imagine that most of us agree that the WDNR has made mistakes in their managemant plans. The bottom line is, this is our State and we deal with what we are dealt. Some years are worse than others and some are far better. I understand you were not talking about us as hunters but to say that our hunting sucks is a bit "out of order". I accept your apology as you are new here and still learning the ropes. One thing that I've learned from the forum is people can't hear you talking and using expression when you type. You need to be careful in the words you chose to use. No hard feelings,....