A few years ago i was in a club that had some very long shots on transmission power lines. Definitely something i wasnt used to, having shots farther than you could possibly make. I upgraded from my 270 A bolt to a WBY 300 mag. Very nice gun for long range, and priced well in the Vanguard series. I've hunted with almost everything, but if youre going to sink some cash into a western hunt with some distance to glass, i would definitely recommend a mag of some sort, the 300 is nice, but i havent shot any of the short mags yet.